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= To Do List =
= To Do List =
== Next meeting ==
Well, we're all back and we're all alive!  Next meeting is the post-trip.
* Give back borrowed gear
* Sort out money
* Sort out photos


== Steve ==
== Steve ==
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* Post requirements (in g or calories) for Dinner/Lunch
* Post requirements (in g or calories) for Dinner/Lunch
* How many 325mL fuel bottles?  what brand?
* How many 325mL fuel bottles?  what brand?
* Look over alpine list


== Christian==
== Christian==
* Talk to chuck
* Talk to chuck (confirmed - $110 per person, email again closer to departure)
* Finalize radios (confirm 2 weeks out)
* Finalize radios (confirm 2 weeks out)
* Post requirements (in g or calories) for Dinner/Lunch
* Place seattle fabrics order (done April 2nd, order # 1270245148-9649151249, shipped April 12th)
* Buy bindings from Voile
* Finalize discounted bags with Cumulus.


==Line==
==Line==
 
*Contact emergency people and inform them about the SPOT messages
* Post requirements (in g or calories) for Dinner/Lunch


== Nick ==
== Nick ==
 
* Ask around for antibiotics
* Post requirements (in g or calories) for Dinner/Lunch


== Simen ==
== Simen ==
 
* Look over alpine list
* Post requirements (in g or calories) for Dinner/Lunch
* Post requirements (in g or calories) for Dinner/Lunch
* Check out Intuition Liners
* Check out Intuition Liners
* Complete first aid kit


== Kjell ==
== Kjell ==
 
* Find Antibiotics
* Post requirements (in g or calories) for Dinner/Lunch
* Check out intuition liners


= Food =
= Food =
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* Own lunches all the time - 25 in total.
* Own lunches all the time - 25 in total.
* Everybody brings 4 dinners.
* Everybody brings 4 dinners.
* Own breakfast most of the time - 23 in total.
* Own breakfast most of the time - 22 in total (with group shared that's 25).
* Bringing shared breakfast - Steve - Simen - Christian
* Bringing shared breakfast - Steve - Simen - Christian


* Dietary requirements - No peanuts for shared meal
* Dietary requirements - No peanuts for shared meal
==Food explanation==
It seems that the food numbers we have don't make sense... Christian and Line tried to come up with the reasoning behind it while packaging their food.
* Food for vehicle approach is ''not'' counted - this is a breakfast eaten at home, a lunch bought on the ferry, and a dinner bought in town before we drive to the kayak launch.
* Day 1 has it all - breakfast, lunch, dinner (contrary to most trips where you don't bring breakfast for day 1)
* All the "middle" days also have it all, keeping in mind that we get a breakfast, lunch, dinner from Homathko
* The arriving back at the cars day only has a breakfast and lunch.  We buy dinner in town, or eat on the ferry (so, we need 1 less dinner than breakfasts and lunches)
* Therefore, for a N day trip we would need N-1 breakfasts, N-1 lunches, and N-2 dinners.
* Our trip is 26 days long (not counting the driving to Quadra day, or our first day back in Vancouver) so we need 25B, 25L, 24D.
''It seems, however, that we agreed on 26B, 25L, 24D'' - meaning we either miscounted the number of breakfasts (perhaps when deciding how many group breakfasts there'd be?), or deciding that some "extra food, just in case" was a breakfast(!?).  Probably a lunch would make more sense?
* Christian changed the number of breakfasts to 25 total.  Maybe we need to think about whether or not he doomed us all?
==How to package==
Things need to be vacuum bagged in groups such that the order you open them makes sense.  This is surprisingly more difficult than it sounds... although now that it's "figured out" it seems more obvious.
'''Dinner'''
* Dinners packed individually
'''Lunch'''
* 15 days of lunches packed together for alpine (probably they won't all fit in the same bag, but they ''could'' be packed together if it was possible)
* Remaining lunches (10) packed in small batches no bigger than you can fit into something bear-proof (along with breakfasts).
'''Breakfast'''
* Group breakfasts packed individually (Steve - Simen - Christian)
* 11 days of breakfast packed together for alpine (plus the 3 group breakfasts makes 14)
* 1 breakfast "ready to eat" for the morning we leave Quadra
* Remaining breakfasts (10) packed in small batches no bigger than you can fit into something bear-proof (along with lunches)
'''If you don't have a bear-proof container''' you could vacuum-pack all your breakfasts and lunches as individual days.  Then, if you eat all your food, you won't have anything to worry about bear-proofing overnight, other than your eating container - but we can probably fit all the pots/eating containers in the bear-can we'll borrow from Jeff.
===Tips for Vacuum packing===
Initially Christian tried to get all fancy - dividing his dinner bags sideways into multiple compartments.  This took a lot of time and effort, but in the end wasn't really worth it - the finished product got some food particles on the inside edge past the sealing surface, which meant he had to wash all the bags afterward.  It also requires a lot more vacuum bag material, which is quite heavy and expensive.  A good method is to:
* Put all the different items you want to divide into cheap ziplocks, or even their original packaging if it's lightweight
* Make sure all ziplock bags are ''open'' (you can just fold them over) and original packaging has a hole in it so the air can get out
* Pile it up on the table about a little narrower than the roll of bag material and about 5cm high
* Cut off enough bag material to cover it, plus an extra 2 of the lengths marked on the roll to allow for sealing area (don't worry about using a little too much - that's way better than making it too short and needing to cut a whole new bag).
* Ram it all in the same bag for each meal
'''How to use the packer'''
* In order to push any buttons the grey latch on the side has to be all the way down
* It will have a better chance of sealing correctly if you wait a few seconds after the sealing light turns off, because this gives the plastic a chance to cool which still being clamped
* The bag will not seal correctly if it's folded under the sealing strip
* Create the end of your bag by inserting the bag over just the sealing strip, closing the lid, clamping the latch, and pressing the "seal" button
* Vacuum pack your food by putting the end of the bag inside the neoprene gasket, closing the lid, clamping the latch, and pressing the "vacuum & seal" button
* The most common complaint on the internet is broken neoprene seals, so be kind to it - we don't have time to get a replacement before the trip.  Also, put the carboard thingy back inside so that the gasket doesn't rest against itself and become compressed during storage.


== How much people want to eat ==
== How much people want to eat ==
For dinners I (Christian) basically decided that we could specify different weights for the 4 different dinners... I think this makes sense, since I know that my caloric requirements are going to change over the trip.  This means we'll have some "heavy" dinners and some "light" dinners, which is probably good.  Let's assume we'll all have hungry days at the same time, and just rank the dinners from lightest to heaviest.
For dinners I (Christian) basically decided that we could specify different weights for the 4 different dinners... I think this makes sense, since I know that my caloric requirements are going to change over the trip.  This means we'll have some "heavy" dinners and some "light" dinners, which is probably good.  Let's assume we'll all have hungry days at the same time, and just rank the dinners from lightest to heaviest.


* Christian -> 200g breakfast, 250g dinner1, 300g dinner2, 350g dinner3, 350 dinner4
* Christian -> 200g breakfast, 250g dinner1, 300g dinner2, 350g dinner3, 350g dinner4
* Line      -> 150g breakfast, 250g dinner1, 250g dinner2, 300g dinner3, 300 dinner4
* Line      -> 150g breakfast, 250g dinner1, 250g dinner2, 300g dinner3, 300g dinner4
* ...
* Nick      -> 200g breakfast, 250g dinner1, 300g dinner2, 350g dinner3, 400g dinner4
* Simen    -> 250g breakfast, 250g dinner1, 300g dinner2, 350g dinner3, 350g dinner4
* Muffin    -> 250g breakfast, 250g dinner1, 300g dinner2, 350g dinner3, 350g dinner4
* Kjell    -> 250g breakfast, 250g dinner1, 300g dinner2, 350g dinner3, 350g dinner4
 
So, adding it all together we have:
 
* Shared Breakfast (Steve, Simen, Christian) = 1300g
* Dinner1 = 1500g
* Dinner2 = 1750g
* Dinner3 = 2050g
* Dinner4 = 2100g
 
====Christian's food====
Probably not so useful to everybody... but I've got to write it somewhere...
 
'''23 breakfast x 200g = 4.6kg breakfast'''
* 3.45kg oats/granola
* 1.15kg protein goo
 
'''25 lunches x 500g = 12.5kg lunch'''
* 5kg nuts etc.
* 1kg of Line's snack bar
* 2kg sesame sticks
* 2.5kg cheese
* 1.5kg candy
* 0.5kg granola bars
 
'''Other junk'''
* 1.25kg chocolate (50g/day)
* 25 fruitsource bars (37g/day)
* 25 multivitamins (make up for all the dehydrated veggies)
* 50 cold assist (keep immune system strong)
* 25 x 500mg glucosamine sulfate (help tendons stay healthy)
* 20 x 160 mg Ginkgo Biloba (reduce likelihood of altitude symptoms)
 
====Line's food====
'''23 breakfast x 150g = 3.45kg'''
* 800g milk/powder/protein goo (35g per day)
* 2.65kg Haritages O's/granola
 
'''15 lunches x 400g + 10 lunches x 500g = 11 kg
* 1kg landjaeger
* 0.45kg other meat
* 1.3kg chocolate
* 1.3kg cheese
* 1.4kg candy
* 0.9kg fruitsource bars
* 0.45kg nut paste
* 1.4kg knaekbroed
* 1.15kg granola bars
* 1.65kg trailmix
 
'''Other stuff'''
* 200g extra protein goo
* 25 multivitamins (make up for all the dehydrated veggies)
* 25 x 500mg glucosamine sulfate (help tendons stay healthy)
* 20 x 160 mg Ginkgo Biloba (reduce likelihood of altitude symptoms)


== Menus ==
== Menus ==
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'''Christian'''
'''Christian'''
* pancakes
* pancakes (for my breakfast)
* minestrone soup + buttery shrimp, sundried tomato, and lemon pesto sauce on angel hair pasta  
* minestrone soup + buttery shrimp, sundried tomato, and lemon pesto sauce on angel hair pasta  
* crab and corn soup + buttery chow mien veggies and cashews
* crab and corn soup + buttery chow mien veggies and cashews
* tomato and ground beef/TVP spaghetti with Parmesan + mousse (or sorbet if I can pull it off...)
* tomato and ground beef/TVP spaghetti with Parmesan + mousse (or sorbet if I can pull it off...)
* meatloaf sauce on buttery mashed potatoes with cashews + pineapple orange tapioca
* meatloaf sauce on buttery mashed potatoes with cashews + pineapple orange tapioca
'''Nick'''
* ground beef + rice + gravy + buttery vegetables
* chicken curry + cous cous + stir fried vegetables
* bacon + potatoes + vegetables + vanilla pudding
* tomato based chili w/ beans + nuts + vegetables
'''Line'''
* Sweet and Sour cous cous with vegetables + some soup
* Pasta with tomato sauce, parmasan and falafel + chocolate pudding
* Ground beef with mushroom sauce with mashed potatoes and fried onion + tomato soup(with soy bacon)
* Curry rice with vegetables, coconut, nuts and raisins + snow cones


= Gear =
= Gear =
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=== Volume requirements ===
=== Volume requirements ===
~ 400L of food
*Suggested sizes for 1 kayak
4x 50L drybags for packs
*1 big ski drybag
4x 120L Alpine equipment
*2x 50L drybags for the deck
2x 35L for kayak stuff
*4x 35L  
4x2 35L drybags for personal kayak crap
*4-8x 20L
4x 5L drybags for small personal kayak crap
*5L drybags for small personal kayak crap
 
*Ski boots, iceaxe, helmet, pack, fuel ect. without drybag
Total for trip ~ 1450L (no skis...)
*Pelican case (Kjell and borrow one from Jeff?)


=== Personal Gear ===
=== Personal Gear ===
* fishing license (for clams etc.) ??
* Bug net
* Bug net
* Soap/hand sanitizer
* Soap/hand sanitizer
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* TP!
* TP!
* Optional moisturizer
* Optional moisturizer
* Pee bottle (at marine store?  Called "Little John")
* Pee bottle (at eco marine - Granville Island, Called "Little John")
* Pee funnell for the ladies
* Pee funnel for the ladies
* Camera
* Camera
* Dive Knife
* Dive Knife
* Whistle (seahorse kind)
* Whistle (seahorse kind)
* Towel
* Towel
* Flagging tape to mark your drybags (Line gets Pink, Christian Orange, Steve Yellow, Madeleine Whatever)
* Flagging tape to mark your drybags (Line gets Pink, Christian Orange, Steve Yellow, Nick Blue, Simen red, Kjell green)
* Paddle leash  
* Paddle leash


=== Eating ===
=== Eating ===
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===Clothing===
===Clothing===
* Technical top
* Alpine base layer
* Drytop
* Drytop
* Wetsuit bottoms and/or Bathing suit
* Wetsuit bottoms and/or Bathing suit
* Neoprene booties / tivas
* Neoprene booties / tivas
* Neoprene skull cap / fleece
* Neoprene skull cap / fleece
* Neoprene gloves
* Neoprene gloves / pogies
* Lightweight gloves to prevent burning - cycling gloves? (optional)
* Lightweight gloves to prevent burning - cycling gloves? (optional)
* Warm upper for kayak
* Warm upper for kayak (double with alpine)
* separate underwear for camp
* separate underwear for camp
* fleece pants for camp (double with alpine)
* fleece pants for camp (double with alpine)
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===Sleeping===
===Sleeping===
* Sleeping Bag (not doubled with alpine?) (sythetic?)
sharing the same sleeping system as alpine gear
* Thermarest (double with alpine)
 
* Hammock (with 3 auxillary biners)/bivysack or just a tarp
possibly plan on sleeping in the cabins, and use Veenstra's fly & another 2-person tarp for 'non-cabin sleeping'
-Veenstra's fly
-Simen's fly
-extra tarp + rigging(Mad's)
-Extra groundsheet (Veenstra)
 
-eliminate seperate kayak bag
-eliminate hammock/bivi


=== Group ===
=== Group ===
* (Christian) 2 Short, sturdy, aluminum pipes to facilitate moving the kayaks as a team of 4
* (Christian) 1 Short, sturdy, aluminum pipes to facilitate moving the kayaks as a team of 4
* (Steve) Bearhang kit including 2 20m pieces of 5mm cord, 3 5m pieces of webbing, 2 pulleys and 4 'biners.
* (Steve) Bearhang kit including 2 20m pieces of 5mm cord, 3 5m pieces of webbing, 2 pulleys and 4 'biners. Biners double with alpine
* 5 Bear canisters - 1 per person for daily use food and a 5th for the group cooking gear.  
* 5 Bear canisters - 1 per person for daily use food and a 5th for the group cooking gear.  
* (Madeleine + Steve) 2x Tarp and rigging
* (Steve and Christian) 2x metal garden trowel for pooh
* (Steve and Christian) 2x metal garden trowel for clams
* (Christian and Steve) 3x pots (doubled with Alpine)
* (Christian and Steve) 2x pots -one of them 2.5 or 3L (doubled with Alpine)
* (Christian and Steve) 3x stoves (doubled with Alpine)
* (Christian and Steve) 2x stoves (doubled with Alpine)
* (Christian and Steve) 2x water treatment (pristine drops - 60ml)
* (Christian and Steve) 2x water treatment (pristine drops - 60ml)
* (Steve) water filter
* (Steve) water filter
* (all kayaks on their own) enough webbing to secure all drybags to deck
* (all kayaks on their own) enough webbing to secure all drybags to deck
* (Christian) Flare


==== (Steve) Repair Kit (additional to the alpine repair kit) ====
==== (Steve) Repair Kit (additional to the alpine repair kit) ====
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* extra elastic cord
* extra elastic cord
* large roll duct tape
* large roll duct tape
* big multitool
* rivet gun
* brace and bit with drill bits
* 2-part epoxy
* 2-part epoxy
* tearaid tape (Christian)
* fiberglass repear kit (borrow from Jeff)


== Skiing/Mountaineering ==
== Skiing/Mountaineering ==
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* 5 dice (Steve will fill everyone in on this simple, lightweight & awesome game)
* 5 dice (Steve will fill everyone in on this simple, lightweight & awesome game)
* Kjell's harmonica
* Kjell's harmonica
* Disco ball


=== Personal Clothing ===
=== Personal Clothing ===
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* toque/balaclava
* toque/balaclava
* optional extra toque
* optional extra toque
* face mask
* down jacket
* down jacket
* 1 pair gloves or mitts with removable liners
* 1 pair gloves or mitts with removable liners
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=== Personal Large bits ===
=== Personal Large bits ===
* (!) Huge Pack ''modify lid to enable day tripping''
* Huge Pack ''make sure you can carry skis with lid or whatever''
* Sled ''are we still good to use garbage bags?''
* (Line) Burly garbage bags
* Sled towing crap - long webbing with elastic inside, 2 biners, Voile strap
* Sled towing crap - long webbing(4-5m) and elastic(2m 5mm), 2 biners, Voile strap


=== Personal Small bits ===
=== Personal Small bits ===
* Voile Straps (4 each - two medium one large one garbage sealer)
* Voile Straps (3 each - 1 medium 2 large)
* Sunglasses
* Sunglasses
* Goggles (lighter lenses?)
* Goggles (lighter lenses?)
* Sunscreen
* Sunscreen
* Sunhat/sunshield
* Sunhat/sunshield
* nosesheild
* nosesheild (if you've got it)
* 2x extra webbing straps to attach random crap
* 2x extra webbing straps to attach random crap
* hand sanitizer/soap
* toothbrush
* toothbrush
* toothpaste
* toothpaste
* dental floss
* dental floss
* TP!
* TP! (3 rolls unless you know otherwise)
* spf30 or better Lip Balm
* spf30 or better Lip Balm (1 or 2 depending on preference of nose)
* moisturizer with aloe
* moisturizer with aloe
* small knife, < 50g
* small knife, < 50g
* lighter
* lighter
* pee funnel for the ladies
* menstrual cup for the ladies (better than disposables - if it works for you)
* menstrual cup for the ladies (better than disposables - if it works for you)
* Birth control (at least for Line)
* Birth control (at least for Line)
* small cloth
* small cloth
* whistle
* whistle
* Compass
* Compass (everybody, only Simen brings a heavy compass)
* Headlamp ''spare batteries''
* Super tiny headlamp (like this one [http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442591283&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302697057&bmUID=1270502410104])
* Camera ''spare batteries''
* Regular Headlamp (this one is good [http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442629553&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302697057&bmUID=1270096193386]) ''with spare batteries''
* Camera (little point and shoot, 1 big one) ''spare batteries''
* Water bladder
* Ibuprofen


=== Personal Sleeping ===
=== Personal Sleeping ===
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* 1 double length sling each (120cm) + 1 spectra (Kjell)
* 1 double length sling each (120cm) + 1 spectra (Kjell)
* 1 non-lockers (nalgene most of the time)
* 1 non-lockers (nalgene most of the time)
* two long screws with twp hookers


Not bringing:
Not bringing:
* pickets
* pickets
* Single long screw with hooker
* prussik minding pulleys total (?)
* prussik minding pulleys total (?)
* 10m rap tat
* 10m rap tat
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* (Christian) Tent with spare pole segment with pegs
* (Christian) Tent with spare pole segment with pegs
* (Simen) Tent with spare pole segment without pegs
* (Simen) Tent with spare pole segment without pegs
* Bear spray (1 or 2)
* (Line + ?) Bear spray (1 or 2)
* (Christian) 1 Extra sunglasses
* (Christian) 1 Extra sunglasses
* (Christian) Kickwax
* (Christian) Kickwax
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* (Christian) Pristene Water drops
* (Christian) Pristene Water drops


==== Repair kit ==== (Christian and Line)
=== Repair kit ===
note: tent pole segment, and sunglasses in group kit
note: tent pole segment, and sunglasses in group kit
* small roll duct tape
* roll duct tape
* 25' steel wire
* 50' steel wire  
* small multitool
* small multitool (likely double with Simen's knife)
* small screwdriver
* small screwdriver (with drill bit)
* small file
* small file
* piece of hacksaw blade
* 1x G3 repair kit screws
* 1x G3 repair kit screws
* 2x extra binding cables
* 1x extra Voile rear (Nick)
* 2x extra cartridges
* 1x extra G3 rear bits (Steve)
* 3x extra heel throws (Steve got one)
* 2x extra heel throws
* spare skin tip loop
* 1x pair spare skin tip loops
* seam grip
* new tube of seam grip
* 2 m of 2mm elastic cord
* 2 m of 2mm elastic cord
* 15m 2-3mm cord
* 15m 3mm cord
* spare basket
* 1x spare basket
* goretex patches
* goretex patches
* thermarest patch kit
* thermarest patch kit
* spare thermarest valve
* spare thermarest valve
* spare big buckle (double from Line's pack)
* Needle and thread
* Ptex candle


=== Eating ===
=== Eating ===
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== First Aid Kit discussion ==
== (Simen’s) First Aid Proposal (not finalized, but ready for critique!) ==


What was brought to the head of Knight Inlet:
''I suggest that we divide the first aid section into two parts. If we split up we will never be in groups smaller than pairs. Thus, I think we should bring three sets of very basic first aid (i.e. one per pair). In addition to this we should have one more extensive first aid kit for the entire group (containing the content outlined below):''


'''Drugs:'''
'''Drugs:'''  
*Loperamide (Immodium) x 10000
Ibuprofen (400mg) for muscle aches, inflammations and fever (Personal)(Simen)
*Cephalexen 500 mg x 40 (broad spectrum antibiotic)
Aspirin for fever or headaches (small bottle) (Simen)
*Dipenhydramine HCl, 25 mg (antihistamine)
Imodium (Loperamide) for diarreha (24 pack) (Simen)
*Hydrocortizone Cream (for itchyness)
Antibiotic (Cephalexen 500 mg) used to fight bacteria including respiratory infections, ear infections, skin infections, 
*ibuprofen
        and urinary tract infections  (1 or 2 courses)
        Dipenhydramine (25 mg) antihistamine drug to treat allergic reactions (12 pack)(Simen)
Hydrocortizone Cream for mosquito bites and itchyness (1 tube)
Suggestions:
Diorylate (Oral rehydration salt) for replacement of fluids and electrolytes due to dehydration or diarrhea (6 servings)
'''Wounds:'''
Chlorhexidine for disinfecting wounds (Simen)
Nitrile gloves
Prep pads (Simen)
Cotton tipped applicators
Ziploc for waste
        Steri-strip (various sizes) for smaller sutures
Autraumatic thread  For sutures
Needles for basic sutures


'''Paper:'''
'''Cutting:'''  
*Accident Incident Report form (form to fill out when someone gets hurt, helps you remember what to check)
Several needles (various sizes)  
*Pencil
Scalpel blades
*Instructions for all drugs (cut off of box, or from prescription)
First aid scissors to easily cut through clothing, band aid, tapes etc.
*Instructions for more complicated bandaging supplies
*Guide to Wilderness Medicine
*Accident flowchart (steps to take)
*Illustrated Guide to Life Threatening Emergencies


'''Wound cleaning:'''
'''Bandaging:'''  
*10 mL syringe
Bandaids for any kind of smaller wounds etc.
*nitrile gloves
Skin blister pads To do the job when the real skin is gone (Simen has some)
*povidone iodine prep pads
Several Mepore sheets squared sheets with adhesive along the edges (Simen)
*isopropyl alcohol prep pads
Non-adherent dressings
*cotton tipped applicators
        Sling (Kjell)
*Ziploc for waste
Safety pins
2 Tensor bandage for stabilizing (Simen)
Small rolls of gauze (Simen)


'''Cutting:'''
'''Tape:'''  
*several needles (various sizes)
2 Athletic tape (Simen)
*scalpel blades (we had #11 and something else?)
3 “Bandage” tape to stabilize rolled ankles, for blisters and many other applications (Simen has 1.5)
*first aid scissors (easily cut through clothing etc, blunt end)


'''Bandaging:'''
'''Other:'''  
*lots of bandaids
        Thermometer (Line) + chart (Kjell)
*2nd skin blister pads
        Foot powder
*several OpSite sheets
        Oropharyngeal airway ''to open airways of an unconcious person'' (Kjell)
*various sizes of steri-strips
        Tourniquet (Kjell)
*2nd Skin Moist Burn Pads
*numerous 3x3" and 4x4" sponges
*some non-adherent dressings
*moleskin
*triangular bandage
*safety pins
*tensor bandage
*small rolls of gauze
*abd pad


'''Tape:'''
'''Paper (copied from last trip)'''  
*athletic tape
Accident Incident Report form (form to fill out when someone gets hurt, helps you remember what to check) (Line)
*micropore tape
Pencil
Instructions for all drugs (cut off of box, or from prescription)
Instructions for more complicated bandaging supplies
Guide to Wilderness Medicine? (Christian)
Accident flowchart (steps to take) (Line)


'''Other:'''
= Technobabble =
*thermometer


'''Not brought, but should be considered:'''
Christian likes to weigh/compare everything, and will start putting his notes here, instead of random locations.  Hopefully then he won't do the same thing 1 million times
*metal splints
 
*thicker ziplocks for waste
== Harness ==
*polysporin
 
*disposal of used scalpel blades/needles
After testing out 4 or 5 designs, Christian's finally come up with a home-made harness he's really happy with.  It weighs just under 200g, packs down really small, you don't notice it when wearing a pack, very comfortable to ski in, and very fast to put on (you don't even need to take your feet off the ground).  It's also cheap - just 6 buckles, some 1" tubular webbing, a little bit of elastic strap, and some mild sewing.  All load-bearing attachments are knots, so it's super strong.
*stiches kit
 
*foreceps
== Food Vacuum Sealer ==
 
Veenstra's got one, bags seam durable enough and odour proof as far as dogs are concerned.  We can use it to pack up our food.
 
== Seattle Fabrics order ==
Order will be placed Wednesday night, after the meeting, hopefully.  Check out their offerings here: [http://www.seattlefabrics.com/products.html]
 
=== Christian and Line ===
* 1x roll 1" rainbow polypro webbing
* 6x plastic rectangles for 1" webbing (have buckles already)
* 1x 3/4" low profile cam-lock buckle for self-arrest grip
* 1x 1" low profile cam-lock, in case 3/4" doesn't work out
* 1x 1oz spool of V46 polyethalene thread
* 1 yard silnylon to make stuff-sacks
* 3 yard 1/8" nylon cord for stuff-sacks
* 4x ellipse toggle for stuff-sacks
* Silnylon for making a kite (not trip related)
* Grossgrain ribbon for making a kite (to finish the edges)
 
=== Nick ===
* 1x roll 1" royal blue polypro webbing
* 6x plastic rectangles for 1" webbing
* 7x plastic buckles for 1" webbing
* 2.75 yards royal blue 430 Denier ($19.50/yd)heat sealable packcloth
 
=== Steve/Kjell ===
* enough for a drybag
 
== Rigging a kayak ==
 
It's possible to just bring elastic cord and lash the extra drybags down to the deck.  Easier (and sexier) to add extra webbing and buckles ahead of time.  Of course, this costs time and money.  If you do it ahead of time it's also possible to add a quick-release so you can ditch the deck loading with the pull of a string if you think you need to do so to survive.  You want polypro because it doesn't absorb water like nylon.
 
Veenstra figures:
* 46" (half circumference of 2x35L and 1x55L bundle, the largest load we could hope to survive with attached to the deck) x6=276" total webbing or 92 yards - $60 to buy "by the yard" or $45 for a 100 yard roll.
* 1 pair of buckles and a plastic square (for QR) per strap
* I'd suggest 1 roll of polypro webbing ($45), 6 buckles ($6) and 6 squares ($3)
colours of webbing are available here:
http://www.seattlefabrics.com/webbing.html#Polypropylene_Webbing
I'm getting rainbow.
 
== Drybags for skis ==
 
Seattle fabrics sells heat-sealable fabrics in a variety of weights[http://www.seattlefabrics.com/nylons.html].  Probably you want the 200 ($13.25/yd) or 430 Denier ($19.50/yd) stuff.  Unfortunately, it is 58" wide (just shorter than your average pair of skis).  So you need to buy as much of it as your skis are long, plus about 6-12 inches for the seal.  Also you'll need a buckle and a little bit of webbing.  It's wide enough to fit a couple pairs of skis, but you probably don't actually want to put more than 2 pairs per bag, because the bag ends up being too big on deck.
 
Probably you want 2.75 yards to make enough drybag space for 2 skis.  You might want to make another bag to put your skis inside so they don't attack the coating, or maybe not.
 
= Spot messages and emergency contacts=
===Okay messages===
We would like helicopter assistance from Whitesaddle or camp, but it is not an emergency.
 
===Help messages===
We need evacuation likely not life threatening within 12 hours.
 
eg. broken shoulder, basically anything that would stop an individual from skiing.
 
Call RCMP
 
===911===
Immediate evacuation
 
life-threatening injury
eg. massive trauma, broken pelvis
 
*Phone contact for 911: Whitesaddle and Webster?


typically for longer trips you want more sponges, gauze, bandaging
===People on the email list===
supplies because if you have a wound you have to keep changing the
Chuck
dressing.
Webster?
Whitesaddle


Most available at Lancaster 601 W. Broadway
http://www.lancastermed.com/


This stuff was packaged into 3 or 4 thematic ziplock bags inside one drybag (OR fabric one, so it's reasonably light) so you could dump out the drybag and find what you needed without worrying about the contents getting wet.
===Main emergency contact===
Scott Webster?


==Personal Emergency Contact Information==


= Technobabble =
=== Christian Neil Veenstra ===
 
Age: 27<br>
Height: 182cm<br>
Weight: 65kg<br>
Date of Birth: 09 NOV 1982<br>
Full Home Address: 3599 W 21st Ave. Vancouver BC V6S 1H1<br>
Day Phone: 604-822-1998 / 604-827-3040<br>
Evening Phone: 604-628-7495<br>
Fax: 604-822-4750<br>
Email: veenstcn [] physics.ubc.ca<br>
 
Blood Type: AB RH POS<br>
Tetanus shot date: Oct 2007<br>
Allergies: some sunscreens<br>
Name of Physician: Karen Antoniuk<br>
Address: 326 Wilson Street East, Ancaster, Ontario<br>
Day Phone: 905-648-0770<br>
 
EMERGENCY CONTACTS
 
Name: Neil and Sonya Veenstra<br>
Relationship: Parents<br>
Day Phone: 905-741-8397<br>
Evening Phone: 905-628-2774<br>
Email: nsveenstra [] cogeco.ca<br>
 
Name: Jeff Mottershead<br>
Relationship: Friend<br>
Phone: 778-230-1988<br>
Email: jeffigator [] gmail.com<br>
 
HEALTHCARE/INSURANCE INFORMATION
 
Provider: Ontario Health Insurance Plan
Number: 3091 662 217 XT
Other info: none


Christian likes to weigh/compare everything, and will start putting his notes here, instead of random locations.  Hopefully then he won't do the same thing 1 million times


== Harness ==


After testing out 4 or 5 designs, Christian's finally come up with a home-made harness he's really happy with.  It weighs just under 200g, packs down really small, you don't notice it when wearing a pack, very comfortable to ski in, and very fast to put on (you don't even need to take your feet off the ground).  It's also cheap - just 6 buckles, some 1" tubular webbing, a little bit of elastic strap, and some mild sewing.  All load-bearing attachments are knots, so it's super strong.
=== Stephen Keith Mullen ===


== Food Vacuum Sealer ==
Age: 29<br>
Date of Birth: Oct.8 1980<br>
Height: 178cm<br>
Weight: 83kg<br>
Full Home Address: 6029 Holland St, V6N 2B2, Vancouver, BC<br>
Phone: 604-726-8677<br>
Email: stephen.k.mullen [] gmail.com<br>


Turns out you can buy them at Canadian Tire.  Veenstra's got one and a vacuum-packed 400g of oats will be riding around in Christian's school bag for a week for durability testing.  The bag material is apparently 5-ply polyethylene, which is air-proof but likely allows organic (aka smell) molecules to diffuse through very slowly.  Another test will be to insert the smellyest food possible and see if a dog can smell it at close range (note: bears have a better sense of smell than dogs, by about 1 order of magnitude, as opposed to millions better than humans). It may be possible to acquire metallized bags, mylar or PET, and vacuum seal those, depending on the result of the dog test.  [http://www.sorbentsystems.com/mylar.html These guys sell mylar bags], they're not designed to be used with a home vacuum sealer but the internet is full of random dudes who figured out ways to do it.
Blood Type: A+ (I think)<br>
Last Tetanus shot: unknown (I'm working on it)<br>
Allergies: No<br>
Name of Physician: Dr. Deborah salzman<br>
Address: Suite 202- 520 17th Street, West Vancouver, BC V7V 3S8 <br>
Day Phone: 604-913-8183<br>


Hopefully this works out and we can just vacuum pack all our food and leave it in the kayaks rather than doing bear hangs.  Bear hangs cost about 3 hours per day, so it would be well worth it not to have to dick around with them.  28 days x 4 people x 1 kg/person/day = 112kg of food ~ 250lbs.  That's hard to get high enough that bears can't reach it.  I know because I've attempted to do this in the past.
EMERGENCY CONTACTS


It would also, likely, take up less space (because it forces all the air out) and we wouldn't even need to drybag it (airtight=>watertight).  We'd still need to bearhang the garbage, though.
Name: Hugh Mullen<br>
Relationship: Father<br>
Home Phone:250-656-7371<br>
Cell Phone: 604-727-7472<br>
Email: hrmullen [] shaw.ca<br>


They're not that expensive, but the odorproof bag material might be harder to source.
Name: Cheryl Mullen<br>
Relationship: Mother<br>
Home Phone:250-656-7371<br>
Email: hrmullen [] shaw.ca<br>


HEALTHCARE/INSURANCE INFORMATION


Provider: BC Medical Service Plan (BC MSP)<br>
Number: 9073 898 214<br>
Other info:<br>


= Route =
= Route =
There's a google map of the intended route [http://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=104537879494523606419.00047def865f1e9278056&ll=50.958427,-125.351257&spn=1.242173,2.469177&z=9 here].  Nick has been working on a lot of details for the kayak approach up Knight Inlet, which should get moved to the wiki/map at some point.
There's a google map of the intended route [http://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=104537879494523606419.00047def865f1e9278056&ll=50.958427,-125.351257&spn=1.242173,2.469177&z=9 here].  Nick has been working on a lot of details for the kayak approach up Knight Inlet, which should get moved to the wiki/map at some point.
= Group costs =
Add anything that you bought for the whole group
* Fuel $100.41 (Line)
* First aid kit $93.06 (Simen)
* Batteries for SPOT $33 (Line)
* Radio $218.40 (Christian)


= Stuff to get done =
= Stuff to get done =
Line 404: Line 678:
It looks like you will have the radios for 5-6 weeks from here, cost will be $175. per radio, add tax and postage. We will need a VISA # and assurance that you return the radios as soon as the trip is over as we have several groups for june that need the AA battery radios. (unfortunately they don't make any new models that take aa's)  They are all programmed with Homathko Logging, Knight Inlet Logging, and our repeater and direct-heli channels.Let me know 2 weeks ahead of time.
It looks like you will have the radios for 5-6 weeks from here, cost will be $175. per radio, add tax and postage. We will need a VISA # and assurance that you return the radios as soon as the trip is over as we have several groups for june that need the AA battery radios. (unfortunately they don't make any new models that take aa's)  They are all programmed with Homathko Logging, Knight Inlet Logging, and our repeater and direct-heli channels.Let me know 2 weeks ahead of time.
Mike
Mike


=== Homathko Camp ===
=== Homathko Camp ===
Contact Chuck regarding use of camp facilities at the head of Bute Inlet
Contact Chuck regarding use of camp facilities at the head of Bute Inlet
=== Afterward ===
[[Media:waddington2010.kml | KML file with SPOT track]] or use [http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=http://www.ubc-voc.com/wiki/images/2/23/Waddington2010.kml google maps to read it directly].

Latest revision as of 01:00, 7 December 2014

To Do List

Next meeting

Well, we're all back and we're all alive! Next meeting is the post-trip.

  • Give back borrowed gear
  • Sort out money
  • Sort out photos

Steve

  • Arrange kayak
  • Post requirements (in g or calories) for Dinner/Lunch
  • How many 325mL fuel bottles? what brand?
  • Look over alpine list

Christian

  • Talk to chuck (confirmed - $110 per person, email again closer to departure)
  • Finalize radios (confirm 2 weeks out)
  • Place seattle fabrics order (done April 2nd, order # 1270245148-9649151249, shipped April 12th)
  • Finalize discounted bags with Cumulus.

Line

  • Contact emergency people and inform them about the SPOT messages

Nick

  • Ask around for antibiotics

Simen

  • Look over alpine list
  • Post requirements (in g or calories) for Dinner/Lunch
  • Check out Intuition Liners
  • Complete first aid kit

Kjell

  • Find Antibiotics

Food

Sunday - Very early breakfast in Vancouver, Lunch/Dinner for car/camp/ferry catch ferry.

Then 25B 25L 24Dinners (1 at Homathko camp, plan on way back)

We will have 3 stoves/pots

  • Own lunches all the time - 25 in total.
  • Everybody brings 4 dinners.
  • Own breakfast most of the time - 22 in total (with group shared that's 25).
  • Bringing shared breakfast - Steve - Simen - Christian
  • Dietary requirements - No peanuts for shared meal

Food explanation

It seems that the food numbers we have don't make sense... Christian and Line tried to come up with the reasoning behind it while packaging their food.

  • Food for vehicle approach is not counted - this is a breakfast eaten at home, a lunch bought on the ferry, and a dinner bought in town before we drive to the kayak launch.
  • Day 1 has it all - breakfast, lunch, dinner (contrary to most trips where you don't bring breakfast for day 1)
  • All the "middle" days also have it all, keeping in mind that we get a breakfast, lunch, dinner from Homathko
  • The arriving back at the cars day only has a breakfast and lunch. We buy dinner in town, or eat on the ferry (so, we need 1 less dinner than breakfasts and lunches)
  • Therefore, for a N day trip we would need N-1 breakfasts, N-1 lunches, and N-2 dinners.
  • Our trip is 26 days long (not counting the driving to Quadra day, or our first day back in Vancouver) so we need 25B, 25L, 24D.

It seems, however, that we agreed on 26B, 25L, 24D - meaning we either miscounted the number of breakfasts (perhaps when deciding how many group breakfasts there'd be?), or deciding that some "extra food, just in case" was a breakfast(!?). Probably a lunch would make more sense?

  • Christian changed the number of breakfasts to 25 total. Maybe we need to think about whether or not he doomed us all?

How to package

Things need to be vacuum bagged in groups such that the order you open them makes sense. This is surprisingly more difficult than it sounds... although now that it's "figured out" it seems more obvious.

Dinner

  • Dinners packed individually

Lunch

  • 15 days of lunches packed together for alpine (probably they won't all fit in the same bag, but they could be packed together if it was possible)
  • Remaining lunches (10) packed in small batches no bigger than you can fit into something bear-proof (along with breakfasts).

Breakfast

  • Group breakfasts packed individually (Steve - Simen - Christian)
  • 11 days of breakfast packed together for alpine (plus the 3 group breakfasts makes 14)
  • 1 breakfast "ready to eat" for the morning we leave Quadra
  • Remaining breakfasts (10) packed in small batches no bigger than you can fit into something bear-proof (along with lunches)

If you don't have a bear-proof container you could vacuum-pack all your breakfasts and lunches as individual days. Then, if you eat all your food, you won't have anything to worry about bear-proofing overnight, other than your eating container - but we can probably fit all the pots/eating containers in the bear-can we'll borrow from Jeff.

Tips for Vacuum packing

Initially Christian tried to get all fancy - dividing his dinner bags sideways into multiple compartments. This took a lot of time and effort, but in the end wasn't really worth it - the finished product got some food particles on the inside edge past the sealing surface, which meant he had to wash all the bags afterward. It also requires a lot more vacuum bag material, which is quite heavy and expensive. A good method is to:

  • Put all the different items you want to divide into cheap ziplocks, or even their original packaging if it's lightweight
  • Make sure all ziplock bags are open (you can just fold them over) and original packaging has a hole in it so the air can get out
  • Pile it up on the table about a little narrower than the roll of bag material and about 5cm high
  • Cut off enough bag material to cover it, plus an extra 2 of the lengths marked on the roll to allow for sealing area (don't worry about using a little too much - that's way better than making it too short and needing to cut a whole new bag).
  • Ram it all in the same bag for each meal

How to use the packer

  • In order to push any buttons the grey latch on the side has to be all the way down
  • It will have a better chance of sealing correctly if you wait a few seconds after the sealing light turns off, because this gives the plastic a chance to cool which still being clamped
  • The bag will not seal correctly if it's folded under the sealing strip
  • Create the end of your bag by inserting the bag over just the sealing strip, closing the lid, clamping the latch, and pressing the "seal" button
  • Vacuum pack your food by putting the end of the bag inside the neoprene gasket, closing the lid, clamping the latch, and pressing the "vacuum & seal" button
  • The most common complaint on the internet is broken neoprene seals, so be kind to it - we don't have time to get a replacement before the trip. Also, put the carboard thingy back inside so that the gasket doesn't rest against itself and become compressed during storage.

How much people want to eat

For dinners I (Christian) basically decided that we could specify different weights for the 4 different dinners... I think this makes sense, since I know that my caloric requirements are going to change over the trip. This means we'll have some "heavy" dinners and some "light" dinners, which is probably good. Let's assume we'll all have hungry days at the same time, and just rank the dinners from lightest to heaviest.

  • Christian -> 200g breakfast, 250g dinner1, 300g dinner2, 350g dinner3, 350g dinner4
  • Line -> 150g breakfast, 250g dinner1, 250g dinner2, 300g dinner3, 300g dinner4
  • Nick -> 200g breakfast, 250g dinner1, 300g dinner2, 350g dinner3, 400g dinner4
  • Simen -> 250g breakfast, 250g dinner1, 300g dinner2, 350g dinner3, 350g dinner4
  • Muffin -> 250g breakfast, 250g dinner1, 300g dinner2, 350g dinner3, 350g dinner4
  • Kjell -> 250g breakfast, 250g dinner1, 300g dinner2, 350g dinner3, 350g dinner4

So, adding it all together we have:

  • Shared Breakfast (Steve, Simen, Christian) = 1300g
  • Dinner1 = 1500g
  • Dinner2 = 1750g
  • Dinner3 = 2050g
  • Dinner4 = 2100g

Christian's food

Probably not so useful to everybody... but I've got to write it somewhere...

23 breakfast x 200g = 4.6kg breakfast

  • 3.45kg oats/granola
  • 1.15kg protein goo

25 lunches x 500g = 12.5kg lunch

  • 5kg nuts etc.
  • 1kg of Line's snack bar
  • 2kg sesame sticks
  • 2.5kg cheese
  • 1.5kg candy
  • 0.5kg granola bars

Other junk

  • 1.25kg chocolate (50g/day)
  • 25 fruitsource bars (37g/day)
  • 25 multivitamins (make up for all the dehydrated veggies)
  • 50 cold assist (keep immune system strong)
  • 25 x 500mg glucosamine sulfate (help tendons stay healthy)
  • 20 x 160 mg Ginkgo Biloba (reduce likelihood of altitude symptoms)

Line's food

23 breakfast x 150g = 3.45kg

  • 800g milk/powder/protein goo (35g per day)
  • 2.65kg Haritages O's/granola

15 lunches x 400g + 10 lunches x 500g = 11 kg

  • 1kg landjaeger
  • 0.45kg other meat
  • 1.3kg chocolate
  • 1.3kg cheese
  • 1.4kg candy
  • 0.9kg fruitsource bars
  • 0.45kg nut paste
  • 1.4kg knaekbroed
  • 1.15kg granola bars
  • 1.65kg trailmix

Other stuff

  • 200g extra protein goo
  • 25 multivitamins (make up for all the dehydrated veggies)
  • 25 x 500mg glucosamine sulfate (help tendons stay healthy)
  • 20 x 160 mg Ginkgo Biloba (reduce likelihood of altitude symptoms)

Show off your menu here, if you like...

Christian

  • pancakes (for my breakfast)
  • minestrone soup + buttery shrimp, sundried tomato, and lemon pesto sauce on angel hair pasta
  • crab and corn soup + buttery chow mien veggies and cashews
  • tomato and ground beef/TVP spaghetti with Parmesan + mousse (or sorbet if I can pull it off...)
  • meatloaf sauce on buttery mashed potatoes with cashews + pineapple orange tapioca

Nick

  • ground beef + rice + gravy + buttery vegetables
  • chicken curry + cous cous + stir fried vegetables
  • bacon + potatoes + vegetables + vanilla pudding
  • tomato based chili w/ beans + nuts + vegetables

Line

  • Sweet and Sour cous cous with vegetables + some soup
  • Pasta with tomato sauce, parmasan and falafel + chocolate pudding
  • Ground beef with mushroom sauce with mashed potatoes and fried onion + tomato soup(with soy bacon)
  • Curry rice with vegetables, coconut, nuts and raisins + snow cones

Gear

Kayaking

Volume requirements

  • Suggested sizes for 1 kayak
  • 1 big ski drybag
  • 2x 50L drybags for the deck
  • 4x 35L
  • 4-8x 20L
  • 5L drybags for small personal kayak crap
  • Ski boots, iceaxe, helmet, pack, fuel ect. without drybag
  • Pelican case (Kjell and borrow one from Jeff?)

Personal Gear

  • Bug net
  • Soap/hand sanitizer
  • Rain/Sunhat
  • Bear spray (one each, with holder)
  • Headlamp (double for Alpine portion)
  • Mini light for camp, so you don't need to carry so many extra batteries (if can find one with switch)
  • Sunscreen
  • Sunglasses
  • Chap stick (spf 30)
  • toothbrush
  • toothpaste
  • dental floss
  • TP!
  • Optional moisturizer
  • Pee bottle (at eco marine - Granville Island, Called "Little John")
  • Pee funnel for the ladies
  • Camera
  • Dive Knife
  • Whistle (seahorse kind)
  • Towel
  • Flagging tape to mark your drybags (Line gets Pink, Christian Orange, Steve Yellow, Nick Blue, Simen red, Kjell green)
  • Paddle leash

Eating

  • Spoon
  • Bowl / measuring cup
  • Nalgene
  • Huge water bladder or capacity (10L minimum)

Clothing

  • Alpine base layer
  • Drytop
  • Wetsuit bottoms and/or Bathing suit
  • Neoprene booties / tivas
  • Neoprene skull cap / fleece
  • Neoprene gloves / pogies
  • Lightweight gloves to prevent burning - cycling gloves? (optional)
  • Warm upper for kayak (double with alpine)
  • separate underwear for camp
  • fleece pants for camp (double with alpine)
  • fleece hoodie for camp
  • warm socks for camp
  • clogs or other dry footwear if bringing neoprene booties

Sleeping

sharing the same sleeping system as alpine gear

possibly plan on sleeping in the cabins, and use Veenstra's fly & another 2-person tarp for 'non-cabin sleeping' -Veenstra's fly -Simen's fly -extra tarp + rigging(Mad's) -Extra groundsheet (Veenstra)

-eliminate seperate kayak bag -eliminate hammock/bivi

Group

  • (Christian) 1 Short, sturdy, aluminum pipes to facilitate moving the kayaks as a team of 4
  • (Steve) Bearhang kit including 2 20m pieces of 5mm cord, 3 5m pieces of webbing, 2 pulleys and 4 'biners. Biners double with alpine
  • 5 Bear canisters - 1 per person for daily use food and a 5th for the group cooking gear.
  • (Steve and Christian) 2x metal garden trowel for pooh
  • (Christian and Steve) 3x pots (doubled with Alpine)
  • (Christian and Steve) 3x stoves (doubled with Alpine)
  • (Christian and Steve) 2x water treatment (pristine drops - 60ml)
  • (Steve) water filter
  • (all kayaks on their own) enough webbing to secure all drybags to deck
  • (Christian) Flare

(Steve) Repair Kit (additional to the alpine repair kit)

  • extra webbing
  • extra elastic cord
  • large roll duct tape
  • 2-part epoxy
  • tearaid tape (Christian)
  • fiberglass repear kit (borrow from Jeff)

Skiing/Mountaineering

Entertainment

  • deck of cards (Steve's microcards)
  • 5 dice (Steve will fill everyone in on this simple, lightweight & awesome game)
  • Kjell's harmonica
  • Disco ball

Personal Clothing

  • 1 or 2 pairs skiing socks
  • 1 pair sleeping socks
  • 1 or 2 pairs skiing underwear
  • 1 pair sleeping underwear
  • 1 warm lower
  • 1 base lower (preferred light, to wear in the sun)
  • 1 shell lower
  • 1 warm upper
  • 1 base upper (preferred light, high collar, to wear in the sun)
  • 1 shell upper
  • optional additional warm upper
  • toque/balaclava
  • optional extra toque
  • face mask
  • down jacket
  • 1 pair gloves or mitts with removable liners
  • 1 pair overmitt shells
  • 1 pair lightweight gloves to protect hands from sun
  • optional gaiters
  • camp booties (or equivalent)

Personal Skiing Gear

  • Skis
  • Skins
  • Poles
  • Boots + Liners + orthotics
  • Beacon spare batteries
  • Shovel
  • Probe

Personal Large bits

  • Huge Pack make sure you can carry skis with lid or whatever
  • (Line) Burly garbage bags
  • Sled towing crap - long webbing(4-5m) and elastic(2m 5mm), 2 biners, Voile strap

Personal Small bits

  • Voile Straps (3 each - 1 medium 2 large)
  • Sunglasses
  • Goggles (lighter lenses?)
  • Sunscreen
  • Sunhat/sunshield
  • nosesheild (if you've got it)
  • 2x extra webbing straps to attach random crap
  • toothbrush
  • toothpaste
  • dental floss
  • TP! (3 rolls unless you know otherwise)
  • spf30 or better Lip Balm (1 or 2 depending on preference of nose)
  • moisturizer with aloe
  • small knife, < 50g
  • lighter
  • menstrual cup for the ladies (better than disposables - if it works for you)
  • Birth control (at least for Line)
  • small cloth
  • whistle
  • Compass (everybody, only Simen brings a heavy compass)
  • Super tiny headlamp (like this one [1])
  • Regular Headlamp (this one is good [2]) with spare batteries
  • Camera (little point and shoot, 1 big one) spare batteries
  • Water bladder
  • Ibuprofen

Personal Sleeping

  • Sleeping Pad
  • Sleeping Bag

Mountain Gear

  • 2x 60m ropes (Steve's)
  • 1 long iceaxe each (1 extra for the group)
  • Crampons (steel or aluminum)
  • Ski crampons (optional, these are good [3])
  • Harnesses
  • Helmets (note this exists [4] but not for long)
  • 2 prussiks each (*NOTE: prussiks must work on 8mm rope. ie, 6mm or 7mm prussik cord is too large. 5mm better)
  • 2 small locking biners each
  • 1 large locking biner (big enough to take munter on 2 strands)
  • 1 double length sling each (120cm) + 1 spectra (Kjell)
  • 1 non-lockers (nalgene most of the time)
  • two long screws with twp hookers


Not bringing:

  • pickets
  • prussik minding pulleys total (?)
  • 10m rap tat

Group

  • (Christian) Tent with spare pole segment with pegs
  • (Simen) Tent with spare pole segment without pegs
  • (Line + ?) Bear spray (1 or 2)
  • (Christian) 1 Extra sunglasses
  • (Christian) Kickwax
  • (Line) 2x Pinklady
  • (Steve) Globstopper
  • (Christian+Simen) 2 sets of Maps at 50k, 1 at 250k
  • (Steve) Guidebook - photocopy relevant peaks
  • (Steve) GPS spare batteries
  • (Christian & Steve & Kjell) Altimeter
  • (Christian) VHF Radio spare batteries
  • (Christian x2, Steve) 3x pots
  • (Christian, Simen, Kjell) 3x stoves with repair kits, small fuel bottle
  • (Christian, Simen, Kjell) 3x windscreens
  • (Christian and Steve) 2x heat exchangers
  • (Line) 1x pot scrapers
  • (Line) 1x scrubbies
  • (Steve) 1x spondonacles
  • (Line) Fuel 750ml per day
  • (Simen) Salt supplement
  • (Christian) Pristene Water drops

Repair kit

note: tent pole segment, and sunglasses in group kit

  • roll duct tape
  • 50' steel wire
  • small multitool (likely double with Simen's knife)
  • small screwdriver (with drill bit)
  • small file
  • piece of hacksaw blade
  • 1x G3 repair kit screws
  • 1x extra Voile rear (Nick)
  • 1x extra G3 rear bits (Steve)
  • 2x extra heel throws
  • 1x pair spare skin tip loops
  • new tube of seam grip
  • 2 m of 2mm elastic cord
  • 15m 3mm cord
  • 1x spare basket
  • goretex patches
  • thermarest patch kit
  • spare thermarest valve
  • spare big buckle (double from Line's pack)
  • Needle and thread
  • Ptex candle

Eating

  • Bowl/measuring cup
  • optional shaker cup
  • Spoon
  • Nalgene
  • Water Bladder


(Simen’s) First Aid Proposal (not finalized, but ready for critique!)

I suggest that we divide the first aid section into two parts. If we split up we will never be in groups smaller than pairs. Thus, I think we should bring three sets of very basic first aid (i.e. one per pair). In addition to this we should have one more extensive first aid kit for the entire group (containing the content outlined below):

Drugs:

	Ibuprofen (400mg) for muscle aches, inflammations and fever (Personal)(Simen) 
	Aspirin for fever or headaches (small bottle) (Simen)
	Imodium (Loperamide) for diarreha (24 pack) (Simen)
	Antibiotic (Cephalexen 500 mg) used to fight bacteria including respiratory infections, ear infections, skin infections,   
       and urinary tract infections  (1 or 2 courses)
       Dipenhydramine (25 mg) antihistamine drug to treat allergic reactions (12 pack)(Simen)
	Hydrocortizone Cream for mosquito bites and itchyness (1 tube)
	
	Suggestions:
	Diorylate (Oral rehydration salt) for replacement of fluids and electrolytes due to dehydration or diarrhea (6 servings)
	

Wounds:

	Chlorhexidine for disinfecting wounds (Simen)
	Nitrile gloves 
	Prep pads (Simen)
	Cotton tipped applicators 
	Ziploc for waste 
       Steri-strip (various sizes) for smaller sutures
	Autraumatic thread  For sutures
	Needles for basic sutures

Cutting:

	Several needles (various sizes) 
	Scalpel blades 
	First aid scissors to easily cut through clothing, band aid, tapes etc. 

Bandaging:

	Bandaids for any kind of smaller wounds etc. 
	Skin blister pads To do the job when the real skin is gone (Simen has some)
	Several Mepore sheets squared sheets with adhesive along the edges (Simen)
	Non-adherent dressings 
       Sling (Kjell)
	Safety pins 
	2 Tensor bandage for stabilizing (Simen)
	Small rolls of gauze (Simen)

Tape:

	2 Athletic tape (Simen)
	3 “Bandage” tape to stabilize rolled ankles, for blisters and many other applications (Simen has 1.5)

Other:

       Thermometer (Line) + chart (Kjell)
       Foot powder 
       Oropharyngeal airway to open airways of an unconcious person (Kjell)
       Tourniquet (Kjell) 

Paper (copied from last trip)

	Accident Incident Report form (form to fill out when someone gets hurt, helps you remember what to check) (Line)
	Pencil 
	Instructions for all drugs (cut off of box, or from prescription) 
	Instructions for more complicated bandaging supplies 
	Guide to Wilderness Medicine? (Christian)
	Accident flowchart (steps to take) (Line)

Technobabble

Christian likes to weigh/compare everything, and will start putting his notes here, instead of random locations. Hopefully then he won't do the same thing 1 million times

Harness

After testing out 4 or 5 designs, Christian's finally come up with a home-made harness he's really happy with. It weighs just under 200g, packs down really small, you don't notice it when wearing a pack, very comfortable to ski in, and very fast to put on (you don't even need to take your feet off the ground). It's also cheap - just 6 buckles, some 1" tubular webbing, a little bit of elastic strap, and some mild sewing. All load-bearing attachments are knots, so it's super strong.

Food Vacuum Sealer

Veenstra's got one, bags seam durable enough and odour proof as far as dogs are concerned. We can use it to pack up our food.

Seattle Fabrics order

Order will be placed Wednesday night, after the meeting, hopefully. Check out their offerings here: [5]

Christian and Line

  • 1x roll 1" rainbow polypro webbing
  • 6x plastic rectangles for 1" webbing (have buckles already)
  • 1x 3/4" low profile cam-lock buckle for self-arrest grip
  • 1x 1" low profile cam-lock, in case 3/4" doesn't work out
  • 1x 1oz spool of V46 polyethalene thread
  • 1 yard silnylon to make stuff-sacks
  • 3 yard 1/8" nylon cord for stuff-sacks
  • 4x ellipse toggle for stuff-sacks
  • Silnylon for making a kite (not trip related)
  • Grossgrain ribbon for making a kite (to finish the edges)

Nick

  • 1x roll 1" royal blue polypro webbing
  • 6x plastic rectangles for 1" webbing
  • 7x plastic buckles for 1" webbing
  • 2.75 yards royal blue 430 Denier ($19.50/yd)heat sealable packcloth

Steve/Kjell

  • enough for a drybag

Rigging a kayak

It's possible to just bring elastic cord and lash the extra drybags down to the deck. Easier (and sexier) to add extra webbing and buckles ahead of time. Of course, this costs time and money. If you do it ahead of time it's also possible to add a quick-release so you can ditch the deck loading with the pull of a string if you think you need to do so to survive. You want polypro because it doesn't absorb water like nylon.

Veenstra figures:

  • 46" (half circumference of 2x35L and 1x55L bundle, the largest load we could hope to survive with attached to the deck) x6=276" total webbing or 92 yards - $60 to buy "by the yard" or $45 for a 100 yard roll.
  • 1 pair of buckles and a plastic square (for QR) per strap
  • I'd suggest 1 roll of polypro webbing ($45), 6 buckles ($6) and 6 squares ($3)

colours of webbing are available here: http://www.seattlefabrics.com/webbing.html#Polypropylene_Webbing I'm getting rainbow.

Drybags for skis

Seattle fabrics sells heat-sealable fabrics in a variety of weights[6]. Probably you want the 200 ($13.25/yd) or 430 Denier ($19.50/yd) stuff. Unfortunately, it is 58" wide (just shorter than your average pair of skis). So you need to buy as much of it as your skis are long, plus about 6-12 inches for the seal. Also you'll need a buckle and a little bit of webbing. It's wide enough to fit a couple pairs of skis, but you probably don't actually want to put more than 2 pairs per bag, because the bag ends up being too big on deck.

Probably you want 2.75 yards to make enough drybag space for 2 skis. You might want to make another bag to put your skis inside so they don't attack the coating, or maybe not.

Spot messages and emergency contacts

Okay messages

We would like helicopter assistance from Whitesaddle or camp, but it is not an emergency.

Help messages

We need evacuation likely not life threatening within 12 hours.

eg. broken shoulder, basically anything that would stop an individual from skiing.

Call RCMP

911

Immediate evacuation

life-threatening injury eg. massive trauma, broken pelvis

  • Phone contact for 911: Whitesaddle and Webster?

People on the email list

Chuck Webster? Whitesaddle


Main emergency contact

Scott Webster?

Personal Emergency Contact Information

Christian Neil Veenstra

Age: 27
Height: 182cm
Weight: 65kg
Date of Birth: 09 NOV 1982
Full Home Address: 3599 W 21st Ave. Vancouver BC V6S 1H1
Day Phone: 604-822-1998 / 604-827-3040
Evening Phone: 604-628-7495
Fax: 604-822-4750
Email: veenstcn [] physics.ubc.ca

Blood Type: AB RH POS
Tetanus shot date: Oct 2007
Allergies: some sunscreens
Name of Physician: Karen Antoniuk
Address: 326 Wilson Street East, Ancaster, Ontario
Day Phone: 905-648-0770

EMERGENCY CONTACTS

Name: Neil and Sonya Veenstra
Relationship: Parents
Day Phone: 905-741-8397
Evening Phone: 905-628-2774
Email: nsveenstra [] cogeco.ca

Name: Jeff Mottershead
Relationship: Friend
Phone: 778-230-1988
Email: jeffigator [] gmail.com

HEALTHCARE/INSURANCE INFORMATION

Provider: Ontario Health Insurance Plan Number: 3091 662 217 XT Other info: none


Stephen Keith Mullen

Age: 29
Date of Birth: Oct.8 1980
Height: 178cm
Weight: 83kg
Full Home Address: 6029 Holland St, V6N 2B2, Vancouver, BC
Phone: 604-726-8677
Email: stephen.k.mullen [] gmail.com

Blood Type: A+ (I think)
Last Tetanus shot: unknown (I'm working on it)
Allergies: No
Name of Physician: Dr. Deborah salzman
Address: Suite 202- 520 17th Street, West Vancouver, BC V7V 3S8
Day Phone: 604-913-8183

EMERGENCY CONTACTS

Name: Hugh Mullen
Relationship: Father
Home Phone:250-656-7371
Cell Phone: 604-727-7472
Email: hrmullen [] shaw.ca

Name: Cheryl Mullen
Relationship: Mother
Home Phone:250-656-7371
Email: hrmullen [] shaw.ca

HEALTHCARE/INSURANCE INFORMATION

Provider: BC Medical Service Plan (BC MSP)
Number: 9073 898 214
Other info:

Route

There's a google map of the intended route here. Nick has been working on a lot of details for the kayak approach up Knight Inlet, which should get moved to the wiki/map at some point.

Group costs

Add anything that you bought for the whole group

  • Fuel $100.41 (Line)
  • First aid kit $93.06 (Simen)
  • Batteries for SPOT $33 (Line)
  • Radio $218.40 (Christian)

Stuff to get done

Radios

Whitesaddle air has been contacted, they say: Christian, It looks like you will have the radios for 5-6 weeks from here, cost will be $175. per radio, add tax and postage. We will need a VISA # and assurance that you return the radios as soon as the trip is over as we have several groups for june that need the AA battery radios. (unfortunately they don't make any new models that take aa's) They are all programmed with Homathko Logging, Knight Inlet Logging, and our repeater and direct-heli channels.Let me know 2 weeks ahead of time. Mike


Homathko Camp

Contact Chuck regarding use of camp facilities at the head of Bute Inlet

Afterward

KML file with SPOT track or use google maps to read it directly.