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When adventuring, whether it be backcountry ski touring, backpacking, bike packing or mountaineering, you are likely going to be packing food and after your first outing most learn quickly that minimizing the weight of your food can have a significant impact on the finally weight of your pack. This page is a guide to food weights and can help you to meal plan while keeping your pack sensible.
When adventuring, whether it be backcountry ski touring, backpacking, bike packing or mountaineering, you are likely going to be packing food and after your first outing most learn quickly that minimizing the weight of your food can have a significant impact on the finally weight of your pack. This page is a guide to food weights and can help you to meal plan while keeping your pack sensible. [[Gear Weights|To see a guide for gear weight see here]].


A great reference for trip food planning: https://www.johnbaldwin.ca/trip-planning-food.asp


==Stove Fuel==
== General ==
===Liquid Fuel==
'''DO NOT''' bring canned food or food containing lots of water (e.g. watermelon). Go for light dried foods. 
White gas is the fuel used in Whisperlite or Dragonfly campstoves
 
Summer - no melting snow 60-100ml/person/day
Breakfast and lunches are usually packed independently. Overall for food, you want the most calories per gram, no water content, 1kg per day average. 200g for breakfast, 500g for lunch, 300 grams for dinner. If you’re a bit of a smaller eater, reduce each meal by 50-100g.  Having a scale really helps for food packing. Keeping track of amounts is a good way not too let yourself starve and to make sure the group dinners have enough food. A group dinner for 3 should be nearly 1kg of dried food.  
Spring skiing - melting snow 120-160ml/person/day
Winter -with altitude and cold up to 200ml
140ml/person/day or 1 litre per person per week is a good rule of thumb for ski mountaineering.


===Pressurized Gas Fuel===
== Breakfasts ==
There are a few different types of pressurized gas fuels, colloquially known altogether as propane, however, they come in a number of different mixtures and not just pure propane. Pure propane has the lowest boiling point at -41°C and so for very cold temperatures or high altitudes, such as when you are ski touring or mountaineering, a regular propane mix will work, however, it requires a heavy canister because of the high pressure at normal room temperature. For backcountry trips, this is often not practical because of the weight. To solve this, propane is mixed with different gases to increase the boiling temperature so that a less heavy canister can be used.
Total weight: 200g/person/day


There are essentially four types of mixes that you should know about:
For alpine starts or trips where you want to be moving quickly in the morning, plan for cold breakfasts. Cold instant oats or granola are potential options. Quick oats are easy. Mix with brown sugar, milk powder, raisins or nuts and it can be eaten cold like cereal or hot like oatmeal. Granola with whole or coconut milk powder is another option. Sometimes bagels or banana bread break up the monotony of oatmeal. Instant noodles or chicken noodle soup from a dry mix are possible hot savoury breakfasts.  
* regular propane mixes (Steel heavy canisters ie. your typical 20lbs barbeque canister)
* regular butane mixes (the heavy coleman 1lb cylinders)
* lightweight summer butane mixes (lightweight backcountry MSR, Primus, ect. canisters)
* lightweight winter isobutane mixes (also comes in lightweight backcountry MSR, Primus, ect. canisters)
* mountaineering propane-butane mixes (midweight liquid fuel canisters)


== Lunches ==
Total weight: 500g/person/day


Instead, most will opt to use either a lightweight summer butane mix or a winter isobutane mix which can be stored in a significantly lighter canister. Summer butane mixes are roughly 90% butane and 10% propane. Butane has a boiling point of -0.5°C so if you use this mix when it is too cold, it will work, but not very well and not for very long since the propane will boil off quickly and burn inefficiently. When the propane runs out, only butane will be left in the canister as an unusable liquid fuel. The compromise between the summer butane mix and pure propane is a winter isobutane mix. Isobutane has a boiling point of -12°C
Lunch is the heaviest as you cant cook anything. It can be good to have 1-2 bagels or wraps /day. Possible spreads/fillings are nutella, butter, cream cheese, jam, cheese, bell peppers, jam, peanut butter-jelly and/or hummus. For snacks: granola bars, chocolate, nuts, gummies, sesame sticks, chocolate covered nuts and raisins, Indian snacks, etc.  


Weight break down: 150g for 1 bagel, 50g of granola bar and 300 grams of snacks.


and propane stoves and a number of factors can influence how much propane you use. Some of these factors are:
== Dinners ==
* Temperature: If it's below freezing outside, propane may have trouble lighting with reduced propane flow and non-winter mix iso
Total weight: 300g/person/day


Dinners are typically shared among 2-3 people. With Covid though, people more likely to be cooking for themselves. Dinners are often broken down into being 40% staple/carb, 10% flavour, 30% calories, 20% protein. Example: 1kg dinner= 400g couscous, mac cheese, instant mashed potatoes, 100g of soup powder with nuts, dehydrated veggies, 300g of butter or cheese, 200g of dehydrated pepperoni sticks, pork fluff or dehydrated canned salmon. If you’re including a desert and/or appetizer like a soup just do the same division but a 1kg dinner would be more like 100g soup, 800g dinner, 100g desert.


[[Dehydrating|Dehydrating food]]


General
== Possible beverages ==
DO NOT bring canned food or food containing lots of water (e.g. watermelon). Go for light dried foods.
* Gatorade/tang
Breakfast and lunches are usually packed independently. Overall for food, you want the most calories per gram, no water content, 1kg per day average. 200g for breakfast, 500g for lunch, 300 grams for dinner. If you’re a bit of a smaller eater, reduce each meal by 50-100g.  Having a scale really helps for food packing. Keeping track of amounts is a good way not too let yourself starve and to make sure the group dinners have enough food. A group dinner for 3 should be nearly 1kg of dried food.
* tea/coffee
* hot chocolate
* Powdered Milk (literally the most amazing thing)


Breakfasts
==Stove Fuel==
Total weight: 200g/person/day
===Liquid Fuel===
For alpine starts or trips where you want to be moving quickly in the morning, plan for cold breakfasts. Cold instant oats or granola are potential options.
[https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5007-305/SuperFuel-White-Gas White gas] is the fuel used in Whisperlite or Dragonfly campstoves.
Quick oats are easy. Mix with brown sugar, milk powder, raisins or nuts and it can be eaten cold like cereal or hot like oatmeal.
* Summer - no melting snow 60-100ml/person/day  
Granola with whole or coconut milk powder is another option.
* Spring skiing - melting snow 120-160ml/person/day
Sometimes bagels or banana bread break up the monotony of oatmeal.
* Winter -with altitude and cold up to 200ml 140ml/person/day or 1 litre per person per week is a good rule of thumb for ski mountaineering.
Instant noodles are a possible hot savoury breakfast.  


Lunches
===Pressurized Gas Fuel===
Total weight: 500g/person/day
There are a few different types of pressurized gas fuels, colloquially known altogether as propane, however, they come in a number of different mixtures and not just pure propane. Pure propane has the lowest boiling point at -41°C and so for very cold temperatures or high altitudes, such as when you are ski touring or mountaineering, pure propane might work, however, it requires a heavy canister because of the high pressure at normal room temperature. For backcountry trips, this is often not practical because of the weight. Most people are not out in temperatures as cold as -41°C, so propane is mixed with different gases to increase the boiling temperature so that a less heavy canister can be used.  
Lunch is the heaviest as you cant cook anything.
It can be good to have 1-2 bagels or wraps /day. Possible spreads/fillings are nutella, butter, cream cheese, jam, cheese, bell peppers, jam, peanut butter-jelly and/or hummus.
For snacks granola bars, chocolate, nuts, gummies, sesame sticks, chocolate covered nuts and raisins, indian snacks, etc.
Weight break down: 150g for 1 bagel, 50g of granola bar and 300 grams of snacks like


The table below shows some of the types of fuels and their propane percentage. The higher the propane percentage, the better the stove will perform at high elevations or at cold temperatures. Many companies like to brag about their high isobutane percentage, like the MSR IsoPro, however, it is important to remember that each percentage of propane will lower the minimum operating temperature more than each percentage of isobutane will (so a mix of 30% propane and 70% isobutane would actually fare better in winter than the MSR IsoPro).
{| class="wikitable"
!Type of Fuel
!Container
!Retail Example
!Activity
!% Propane
(-41°C)
!%Butane
(-0.5°C)
!%Isobutane
(-12°C)
|-
|Regular Propane
|Steel 20lbs containers
|Any gas station...
|Backyard BBQ
|90%
| colspan="2" |<5%
|-
| rowspan="3" |Propane-Butane Mix
|lightweight liquid fuel canister
|[https://www.trailspace.com/gear/coleman/xtreme-powermax-stove/ Coleman PowerMax](discontinued)
|Mountaineering
|40%
|60%
| -
|-
|heavy 1lb cylinders
|[https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/coleman-propane-cylinder-3-pk-0762121p.html Coleman Propane Cylinder (Screw top)]
|Car Camping
|30%
|70%
| -
|-
| rowspan="3" |lightweight canisters
|[https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5013-036/LPG-Canister-220 Optimus LPG]
|Summer Backcountry Camping
|30%
|70%
| -
|-
| rowspan="2" |Isobutane Mix
|[https://www.mec.ca/en/product/4010-931/230-Butane-Propane-Canister Primus Power Gas]
|Fall Backcountry Camping
|25%
|50%
|25%
|-
|[https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5044-199/Isopro-Fuel-450g-Canister MSR IsoPro]
|Backcountry Skiing, Mountaineering
|20%
| -
|80%
|}
Butane has a boiling point of -0.5°C so if you use this mix when it is too cold, it will work, but not very well and not for very long since the propane will boil off quickly and burn inefficiently. When the propane runs out, only butane will be left in the canister as an unusable liquid fuel. The compromise between the summer butane mix and pure propane is a winter isobutane mix. Isobutane has a boiling point of -12°C. The Coleman PowerMax was a great device that used a liquid feed rather than a gaseous feed and for this reason the canister doesn't get cold when you burn the fuel because the fuel is not vaporizing in the canister and stealing its heat. Because of this vaporization heat stealing process in gaseous canisters it is super important to keep your canister warm for it to burn efficiently. Sadly the Coleman PowerMax has been discontinued and there is not a good replacement in the market at the moment.


Dinners
==== Number of uses out of Lightweight Canisters ====
Total weight: 300g/person/day
Supposing that you are using the appropriate fuel mix for the environment you are in, this is an approximation for how many meals you will get out of your canisters based on a fairly liberal usage on each meal (actually cooking ie. more than simply boiling 2 cups of water each meal to add to your dehydrated food packets). Keep track by using a permanent marker on the can for each meal you use it for. This way when you reuse the canister on your second trip you will know if you have enough fuel left for the meals you need.
Dinners are typically shared among 2-3 people. With Covid though, people more likely to be cooking for themselves.  
* 100g Canister (200g gross weight) = [https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5017-676/Jetpower-100-Isobutane-Propane-Fuel-Canister Jetboil claims it can boil 10L of water.]They keep their fuel mixture a secret though.  
Dinners are often broken down into being 40% staple/carb, 10% flavour, 30% calories, 20% protein.
* 230g Canister (340g gross weight) = 10 meals or ~25g of fuel per meal
Example: 1kg dinner= 400g couscous, mac cheese, instant mashed potatoes, 100g of soup powder with nuts, dehydrated veggies, 300g of butter or cheese, 200g of dehydrated pepperoni sticks, pork fluff or dehydrated canned salmon. If you’re including a desert and/or appetizer like a soup just do the same division but a 1kg dinner would be more like 100g soup, 800g dinner, 100g desert.
* 450g Canister (660g gross weight) = 20 meals or ~25g of fuel per meal


Possible beverages
==== Tips for making the most out of Propane Canisters ====
Gatorade/tang
* Keep the canisters warm! Don't let them burn through the propane in the mix all at once because you let the canister get cold.
tea/coffee
* Protect the flame from the wind with a wind screen (you can make one at home out of layered tin foil - layer it thick so its sturdy!)
hot chocolate
* Make sure the ground is flat and that it can't fall off of anything, or, get knocked by anyone.
* If you use the tall canisters, consider getting a small plastic base to make it more sturdy (this also lifts it off the ground and uses the air as insulation, supposing the air is warmer than the ground)
* Isobutane mixes are not necessary for summer when its above 0°C so buy the cheap mixes rather than the expensive stuff.
* Do not refill the canisters with gas station propane! Those lightweight canisters cannot handle the pressure of pure propane and could explode if they get hot (such as the back of your car).


==Further Reading and Resources==
==Further Reading and Resources==
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If you are looking to buy lots of dried bulk goods see (it is a bit expensive - VOC members should get a 10% discount for expedition trips): http://www.famousfoods.ca/  
If you are looking to buy lots of dried bulk goods see (it is a bit expensive - VOC members should get a 10% discount for expedition trips): http://www.famousfoods.ca/  


Some potential recipes for dehydrated food:
Some potential recipes for dehydrated food: https://www.ubc-voc.com/wiki/Recipes
https://www.ubc-voc.com/wiki/Recipes
 
A great reference for trip food planning: https://www.johnbaldwin.ca/trip-planning-food.asp
 
Info about fuel mixtures: http://bushwalkingnsw.org.au/clubsites/FAQ/FAQ_Mixtures.htm#Iso
 
Propane vs. Butane: https://primus.us/blogs/blog/propane-vs-butane-does-type-of-stove-fuel-matter


A great reference for trip food planning:
A bit about gas station propane: https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/propane_basics.html
https://www.johnbaldwin.ca/trip-planning-food.asp

Latest revision as of 23:53, 15 September 2020

When adventuring, whether it be backcountry ski touring, backpacking, bike packing or mountaineering, you are likely going to be packing food and after your first outing most learn quickly that minimizing the weight of your food can have a significant impact on the finally weight of your pack. This page is a guide to food weights and can help you to meal plan while keeping your pack sensible. To see a guide for gear weight see here.

A great reference for trip food planning: https://www.johnbaldwin.ca/trip-planning-food.asp

General

DO NOT bring canned food or food containing lots of water (e.g. watermelon). Go for light dried foods.

Breakfast and lunches are usually packed independently. Overall for food, you want the most calories per gram, no water content, 1kg per day average. 200g for breakfast, 500g for lunch, 300 grams for dinner. If you’re a bit of a smaller eater, reduce each meal by 50-100g. Having a scale really helps for food packing. Keeping track of amounts is a good way not too let yourself starve and to make sure the group dinners have enough food. A group dinner for 3 should be nearly 1kg of dried food.

Breakfasts

Total weight: 200g/person/day

For alpine starts or trips where you want to be moving quickly in the morning, plan for cold breakfasts. Cold instant oats or granola are potential options. Quick oats are easy. Mix with brown sugar, milk powder, raisins or nuts and it can be eaten cold like cereal or hot like oatmeal. Granola with whole or coconut milk powder is another option. Sometimes bagels or banana bread break up the monotony of oatmeal. Instant noodles or chicken noodle soup from a dry mix are possible hot savoury breakfasts.

Lunches

Total weight: 500g/person/day

Lunch is the heaviest as you cant cook anything. It can be good to have 1-2 bagels or wraps /day. Possible spreads/fillings are nutella, butter, cream cheese, jam, cheese, bell peppers, jam, peanut butter-jelly and/or hummus. For snacks: granola bars, chocolate, nuts, gummies, sesame sticks, chocolate covered nuts and raisins, Indian snacks, etc.

Weight break down: 150g for 1 bagel, 50g of granola bar and 300 grams of snacks.

Dinners

Total weight: 300g/person/day

Dinners are typically shared among 2-3 people. With Covid though, people more likely to be cooking for themselves. Dinners are often broken down into being 40% staple/carb, 10% flavour, 30% calories, 20% protein. Example: 1kg dinner= 400g couscous, mac cheese, instant mashed potatoes, 100g of soup powder with nuts, dehydrated veggies, 300g of butter or cheese, 200g of dehydrated pepperoni sticks, pork fluff or dehydrated canned salmon. If you’re including a desert and/or appetizer like a soup just do the same division but a 1kg dinner would be more like 100g soup, 800g dinner, 100g desert.

Dehydrating food

Possible beverages

  • Gatorade/tang
  • tea/coffee
  • hot chocolate
  • Powdered Milk (literally the most amazing thing)

Stove Fuel

Liquid Fuel

White gas is the fuel used in Whisperlite or Dragonfly campstoves.

  • Summer - no melting snow 60-100ml/person/day
  • Spring skiing - melting snow 120-160ml/person/day
  • Winter -with altitude and cold up to 200ml 140ml/person/day or 1 litre per person per week is a good rule of thumb for ski mountaineering.

Pressurized Gas Fuel

There are a few different types of pressurized gas fuels, colloquially known altogether as propane, however, they come in a number of different mixtures and not just pure propane. Pure propane has the lowest boiling point at -41°C and so for very cold temperatures or high altitudes, such as when you are ski touring or mountaineering, pure propane might work, however, it requires a heavy canister because of the high pressure at normal room temperature. For backcountry trips, this is often not practical because of the weight. Most people are not out in temperatures as cold as -41°C, so propane is mixed with different gases to increase the boiling temperature so that a less heavy canister can be used.

The table below shows some of the types of fuels and their propane percentage. The higher the propane percentage, the better the stove will perform at high elevations or at cold temperatures. Many companies like to brag about their high isobutane percentage, like the MSR IsoPro, however, it is important to remember that each percentage of propane will lower the minimum operating temperature more than each percentage of isobutane will (so a mix of 30% propane and 70% isobutane would actually fare better in winter than the MSR IsoPro).

Type of Fuel Container Retail Example Activity % Propane

(-41°C)

%Butane

(-0.5°C)

%Isobutane

(-12°C)

Regular Propane Steel 20lbs containers Any gas station... Backyard BBQ 90% <5%
Propane-Butane Mix lightweight liquid fuel canister Coleman PowerMax(discontinued) Mountaineering 40% 60% -
heavy 1lb cylinders Coleman Propane Cylinder (Screw top) Car Camping 30% 70% -
lightweight canisters Optimus LPG Summer Backcountry Camping 30% 70% -
Isobutane Mix Primus Power Gas Fall Backcountry Camping 25% 50% 25%
MSR IsoPro Backcountry Skiing, Mountaineering 20% - 80%

Butane has a boiling point of -0.5°C so if you use this mix when it is too cold, it will work, but not very well and not for very long since the propane will boil off quickly and burn inefficiently. When the propane runs out, only butane will be left in the canister as an unusable liquid fuel. The compromise between the summer butane mix and pure propane is a winter isobutane mix. Isobutane has a boiling point of -12°C. The Coleman PowerMax was a great device that used a liquid feed rather than a gaseous feed and for this reason the canister doesn't get cold when you burn the fuel because the fuel is not vaporizing in the canister and stealing its heat. Because of this vaporization heat stealing process in gaseous canisters it is super important to keep your canister warm for it to burn efficiently. Sadly the Coleman PowerMax has been discontinued and there is not a good replacement in the market at the moment.

Number of uses out of Lightweight Canisters

Supposing that you are using the appropriate fuel mix for the environment you are in, this is an approximation for how many meals you will get out of your canisters based on a fairly liberal usage on each meal (actually cooking ie. more than simply boiling 2 cups of water each meal to add to your dehydrated food packets). Keep track by using a permanent marker on the can for each meal you use it for. This way when you reuse the canister on your second trip you will know if you have enough fuel left for the meals you need.

  • 100g Canister (200g gross weight) = Jetboil claims it can boil 10L of water.They keep their fuel mixture a secret though.
  • 230g Canister (340g gross weight) = 10 meals or ~25g of fuel per meal
  • 450g Canister (660g gross weight) = 20 meals or ~25g of fuel per meal

Tips for making the most out of Propane Canisters

  • Keep the canisters warm! Don't let them burn through the propane in the mix all at once because you let the canister get cold.
  • Protect the flame from the wind with a wind screen (you can make one at home out of layered tin foil - layer it thick so its sturdy!)
  • Make sure the ground is flat and that it can't fall off of anything, or, get knocked by anyone.
  • If you use the tall canisters, consider getting a small plastic base to make it more sturdy (this also lifts it off the ground and uses the air as insulation, supposing the air is warmer than the ground)
  • Isobutane mixes are not necessary for summer when its above 0°C so buy the cheap mixes rather than the expensive stuff.
  • Do not refill the canisters with gas station propane! Those lightweight canisters cannot handle the pressure of pure propane and could explode if they get hot (such as the back of your car).

Further Reading and Resources

If you are looking to buy lots of dried bulk goods see (it is a bit expensive - VOC members should get a 10% discount for expedition trips): http://www.famousfoods.ca/

Some potential recipes for dehydrated food: https://www.ubc-voc.com/wiki/Recipes

A great reference for trip food planning: https://www.johnbaldwin.ca/trip-planning-food.asp

Info about fuel mixtures: http://bushwalkingnsw.org.au/clubsites/FAQ/FAQ_Mixtures.htm#Iso

Propane vs. Butane: https://primus.us/blogs/blog/propane-vs-butane-does-type-of-stove-fuel-matter

A bit about gas station propane: https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/propane_basics.html