Archive:Waddington2010

Gear

Kayaking

Volume requirements

~ 400L of food 4x 50L drybags for packs 4x 120L Alpine equipment 2x 35L for kayak stuff 4x2 35L drybags for personal kayak crap 4x 5L drybags for small personal kayak crap

Total for trip ~ 1450L (no skis...)

Personal Gear

• fishing license (for clams etc.) ??
• Bug net
• Soap/hand sanitizer
• Rain/Sunhat
• Bear spray (one each, with holder)
• Headlamp (double for Alpine portion)
• Mini light for camp, so you don't need to carry so many extra batteries (if can find one with switch)
• Sunscreen
• Sunglasses
• Chap stick (spf 30)
• toothbrush
• toothpaste
• dental floss
• TP!
• Optional moisturizer
• Pee bottle (at marine store? Called "Little John")
• Pee funnell for the ladies
• Camera
• Dive Knife
• Whistle (seahorse kind)
• Towel
• Flagging tape to mark your drybags (Line gets Pink, Christian Orange, Steve Yellow, Madeleine Whatever)
• Paddle leash

Eating

• Spoon
• Bowl / measuring cup
• Nalgene
• Huge water bladder or capacity (10L minimum)

Clothing

• Technical top
• Drytop
• Wetsuit bottoms and/or Bathing suit
• Neoprene booties / tivas
• Neoprene skull cap / fleece
• Neoprene gloves
• Lightweight gloves to prevent burning - cycling gloves? (optional)
• Warm upper for kayak
• separate underwear for camp
• fleece pants for camp (double with alpine)
• fleece hoodie for camp
• warm socks for camp
• clogs or other dry footwear if bringing neoprene booties

Sleeping

• Sleeping Bag (not doubled with alpine?) (sythetic?)
• Thermarest (double with alpine)
• Hammock (with 3 auxillary biners)/bivysack or just a tarp

Group

• (Christian) 2 Short, sturdy, aluminum pipes to facilitate moving the kayaks as a team of 4
• (Steve) Bearhang kit including 2 20m pieces of 5mm cord, 3 5m pieces of webbing, 2 pulleys and 4 'biners.
• 5 Bear canisters - 1 per person for daily use food and a 5th for the group cooking gear.
• (Madeleine + Steve) 2x Tarp and rigging
• (Steve and Christian) 2x metal garden trowel for clams
• (Christian and Steve) 2x pots -one of them 2.5 or 3L (doubled with Alpine)
• (Christian and Steve) 2x stoves (doubled with Alpine)
• (Christian and Steve) 2x water treatment (pristine drops - 60ml)
• (Steve) water filter
• (all kayaks on their own) enough webbing to secure all drybags to deck

(Steve) Repair Kit (additional to the alpine repair kit)

• extra webbing
• extra elastic cord
• large roll duct tape
• big multitool
• rivet gun
• brace and bit with drill bits
• 2-part epoxy

Skiing/Mountaineering

Entertainment

• deck of cards (Steve's microcards)
• 5 dice (Steve will fill everyone in on this simple, lightweight & awsome game)

Personal Clothing

• 2 pairs skiing socks
• 1 pair sleeping socks
• 2 pairs skiing underwear
• 1 pair sleeping underwear
• 1 warm lower
• 1 base lower (preferred light, to wear in the sun)
• 1 shell lower
• 1 warm upper
• 1 base upper (preferred light, high collar, to wear in the sun)
• 1 shell upper
• optional additional warm upper
• toque/balaclava
• down jacket
• 1 pair gloves with removable liners
• 1 pair overmit shells
• 1 pair lightweight gloves to protect hands from sun
• optional gaiters
• camp booties (or equivalent)

Personal Skiing Gear

• Skis
• Skins
• Poles
• Boots + Liners + orthotics
• Beacon spare batteries
• Shovel
• Probe

Personal Large bits

• (!) Huge Pack modify lid to enable day tripping
• Sled are we still good to use garbage bags?
• Sled towing crap - long webbing with elastic inside, 2 biners, Voile strap

Personal Small bits

• Voile Straps (4 each - two medium one large one garbage sealer)
• Sunglasses
• Goggles (lighter lenses?)
• Sunscreen
• Sunhat/sunshield
• nosesheild
• 2x extra webbing straps to attach random crap
• hand sanitizer/soap
• toothbrush
• toothpaste
• dental floss
• TP!
• spf30 or better Lip Balm
• moisturizer with aloe
• small knife, < 50g
• lighter
• pee funnel for the ladies
• menstrual cup for the ladies (better than disposables - if it works for you)
• Birth control (at least for Line)
• small cloth
• whistle
• Compass
• Headlamp spare batteries
• Camera spare batteries

Personal Sleeping

• Sleeping Pad
• Sleeping Bag

Mountain Gear

• 2x 60m ropes (maybe buy new lighter ones?)
• 1 long iceaxe each
• Single long screw with hooker
• Crampons
• Harnesses
• Ski crampons (?)
• Helmets
• 2 prussiks each (*NOTE: prussiks must work on 8mm rope. ie, 6mm or 7mm prussik cord is too large. 5mm better)
• 2 small locking biners each
• 1 large locking biner
• 1 double length sling each
• 2 non-lockers
• 2 prussik minding pulleys total (?)
• 10m rap tat

Group

• (Christian) Tent with spare pole segment
• Bear spray (?)
• (Christian) Spare pole (colapsable) (? likely not)
• (Christian) 1 Extra sunglasses
• (Christian) Kickwax
• (Line) 2x Pinklady
• (Steve) Globstopper
• (Christian) Maps
• (Steve) Guidebook - photocopy relevant peaks
• (Steve) GPS spare batteries
• (Christian & Steve) Altimeter
• (Christian) VHF Radio spare batteries
• (Christian and Steve) 2x pots
• (Christian and Steve) 2x stoves with repair kits
• (Christian and Steve) 2x windscreens
• (Christian and Steve) 2x heat exchangers
• (Line) 1x pot scrapers
• (Line) 1x scrubbies
• (Steve) 1x spondonacles
• (Line) Fuel Email faff about how much
• (Madeleine) Extra salt and pepper
• (leftover from kayak) Water drops
• (Line) black plastic for water generation

==== Repair kit ==== (Christian and Line) note: spare ski pole, tent pole segment, and sunglasses in group kit

• small roll duct tape
• 25' steel wire
• small multitool
• small screwdriver
• small file
• 1x G3 repair kit screws
• 2x extra binding cables
• 2x extra cartridges
• 3x extra heel throws (Steve got one)
• spare skin tip loop
• seam grip
• 2 m of 2mm elastic cord
• 15m 2-3mm cord
• spare basket
• goretex patches
• thermarest patch kit
• spare thermarest valve

Eating

• Bowl/measuring cup
• optional shaker cup
• Spoon
• Nalgene
• Water Bladder

Not bringing

• Extra iceaxe
• Snowsaw
• Pickets
• Rock Pro
• Belay Device (Discuss this -- munter hitches create cluster-F**k twists in rappell lines)

First Aid Kit discussion

What was brought to the head of Knight Inlet:

Drugs:

• Loperamide (Immodium) x 10000
• Cephalexen 500 mg x 40 (broad spectrum antibiotic)
• Dipenhydramine HCl, 25 mg (antihistamine)
• Hydrocortizone Cream (for itchyness)
• ibuprofen

Paper:

• Accident Incident Report form (form to fill out when someone gets hurt, helps you remember what to check)
• Pencil
• Instructions for all drugs (cut off of box, or from prescription)
• Instructions for more complicated bandaging supplies
• Guide to Wilderness Medicine
• Accident flowchart (steps to take)
• Illustrated Guide to Life Threatening Emergencies

Wound cleaning:

• 10 mL syringe
• nitrile gloves
• povidone iodine prep pads
• isopropyl alcohol prep pads
• cotton tipped applicators
• Ziploc for waste

Cutting:

• several needles (various sizes)
• scalpel blades (we had #11 and something else?)
• first aid scissors (easily cut through clothing etc, blunt end)

Bandaging:

• lots of bandaids
• 2nd skin blister pads
• several OpSite sheets
• various sizes of steri-strips
• 2nd Skin Moist Burn Pads
• numerous 3x3" and 4x4" sponges
• some non-adherent dressings
• moleskin
• triangular bandage
• safety pins
• tensor bandage
• small rolls of gauze
• abd pad

Tape:

• athletic tape
• micropore tape

Other:

• thermometer

Not brought, but should be considered:

• metal splints
• thicker ziplocks for waste
• polysporin
• disposal of used scalpel blades/needles
• stiches kit
• foreceps

typically for longer trips you want more sponges, gauze, bandaging supplies because if you have a wound you have to keep changing the dressing.

Most available at Lancaster 601 W. Broadway http://www.lancastermed.com/

This stuff was packaged into 3 or 4 thematic ziplock bags inside one drybag (OR fabric one, so it's reasonably light) so you could dump out the drybag and find what you needed without worrying about the contents getting wet.

Technobabble

Christian likes to weigh/compare everything, and will start putting his notes here, instead of random locations. Hopefully then he won't do the same thing 1 million times

Harness

After testing out 4 or 5 designs, Christian's finally come up with a home-made harness he's really happy with. It weighs just under 200g, packs down really small, you don't notice it when wearing a pack, very comfortable to ski in, and very fast to put on (you don't even need to take your feet off the ground). It's also cheap - just 6 buckles, some 1" tubular webbing, a little bit of elastic strap, and some mild sewing. All load-bearing attachments are knots, so it's super strong.

Food Vacuum Sealer

Turns out you can buy them at Canadian Tire. Veenstra's got one and a vacuum-packed 400g of oats will be riding around in Christian's school bag for a week for durability testing. The bag material is apparently 5-ply polyethylene, which is air-proof but likely allows organic (aka smell) molecules to diffuse through very slowly. Another test will be to insert the smellyest food possible and see if a dog can smell it at close range (note: bears have a better sense of smell than dogs, by about 1 order of magnitude, as opposed to millions better than humans). It may be possible to acquire metallized bags, mylar or PET, and vacuum seal those, depending on the result of the dog test. These guys sell mylar bags, they're not designed to be used with a home vacuum sealer but the internet is full of random dudes who figured out ways to do it.

Hopefully this works out and we can just vacuum pack all our food and leave it in the kayaks rather than doing bear hangs. Bear hangs cost about 3 hours per day, so it would be well worth it not to have to dick around with them. 28 days x 4 people x 1 kg/person/day = 112kg of food ~ 250lbs. That's hard to get high enough that bears can't reach it. I know because I've attempted to do this in the past.

It would also, likely, take up less space (because it forces all the air out) and we wouldn't even need to drybag it (airtight=>watertight). We'd still need to bearhang the garbage, though.

They're not that expensive, but the odorproof bag material might be harder to source.

kayaks

This website allows easy comparison of a variety of kayaks.

Nimbus Skana

This is tandem Christian co-ownes with Jeff. It's basically a barge - perfect for this sort of trip, but if only they made bigger ones... a lot of deck storage was necessary last time.

• 21' 8" long
• 30" beam
• unknown depth
• front hatch = 91L
• middle = 135L
• rear = 150L
• bow cockpit = 197L
• stern cockpit = 227L
• Total non-cockpit storage = 376L
• Total kayak volume = 800L

Boreal Esperanto

There's one of this on Craigslist in Chilliwack. It's been there forever, presumably they'd settle for less than their asking price, but the kayak is probably too small I think. Might work though - and the price is right at $3000, including everything you need to paddle it. Plastic, which means it doesn't mind the rocks as much.

• 19' 6" long
• 28.5" beam
• front = 59L
• middle = 96L (calculated from given dimensions if it were a rectangle, * Pi/4 to make it "round")
• rear = 97L
• cockpits unlisted
• Total non-cockpit storage = 252L
• Total kayak volume = 738L

Seaward Passage TX

Seaward's biggest plastic boat, but not very big at all. Not much info on it available, probably because plastic shrinks when it comes out of the mold, and they've never bothered to figure out the "as molded" dimensions.

• 18'3" Long
• 29" Beam
• 16" Depth
• Cockpit=18.5"W x 38"L x 12.5"H
• Total volume = ?
• 75 LBS

Seaward Gemini

Compact, stable and maneuverable (*not available in kevlar). So says the website. Looks too small.

• 18'3" long
• 29" BEAM
• 16" DEPTH
• COCKPIT = 31"L x 16"W x 14.5"D
• BOW 60 ltrs
• STERN 142 ltrs
• TOTAL STORAGE = 202 ltrs
• WEIGHT 80 LBS.

Seaward South Wind

Stable, large volume touring double. So says the website. Looks like a monster, and the perfect fit for a trip like this.

• 21' LENGTH
• BEAM 30.5"
• DEPTH 15"
• COCKPIT 31"L x 16"W x 13.5"D
• BOW 88 ltrs
• STERN 136 ltrs
• CENTRE 140 ltrs
• Total Storage = 364L
• TOTAL KAYAK 868 ltrs
• WEIGHT 105 LBS

Seaward Passat G3

An extremely fast racing and touring tandem. So says the website. Looks pretty long for sure, and the narrower beam likely means it isn't a total pig (unlike my Nimbus Skana - which, to be fair, is very maneuverable, just not very fast). Although it seems to have a lot of storage volume it has a low total volume, but probably there's less "wasted space" in the cockpit. Or maybe it means that the cockpit is too small to ram a drybag inbetween your legs. Looks like new-old-stock sale price is about $4000.

• 22' LENGTH
• 26" BEAM
• 15.5" DEPTH
• COCKPIT 32.25"L x 16"W x 13.5"D
• HATCH COCKPIT 22.25"L x 13.5"W x 12.5"D
• BOW = 64 ltrs
• STERN = 94 ltrs
• CENTRE = 180 ltrs
• Total storage volume = 338L
• TOTAL KAYAK 694L
• WEIGHT 90 LBS

More seaward data, unformatted

Seaward Passat A fast, sleek, tandem touring kayak. LENGTH BEAM DEPTH COCKPIT BOW STERN TOTAL KAYAK WEIGHT 22' 26" 15.5" 32.25"L x 16"W x 13.5"D 97.5 ltrs 136 ltrs 642.5 ltrs 85 LBS.

Route

There's a google map of the intended route here. Nick has been working on a lot of details for the kayak approach up Knight Inlet, which should get moved to the wiki/map at some point.

Stuff to get done

Radios

Whitesaddle air has been contacted, they say: Christian, It looks like you will have the radios for 5-6 weeks from here, cost will be $175. per radio, add tax and postage. We will need a VISA # and assurance that you return the radios as soon as the trip is over as we have several groups for june that need the AA battery radios. (unfortunately they don't make any new models that take aa's) They are all programmed with Homathko Logging, Knight Inlet Logging, and our repeater and direct-heli channels.Let me know 2 weeks ahead of time. Mike

Homathko Camp

Contact Chuck regarding use of camp facilities at the head of Bute Inlet