Archive:Waddington2010

To Do List

Next meeting

• Kayak kit list
• First aid kit rundown

Steve

• Arrange kayak
• Post requirements (in g or calories) for Dinner/Lunch
• How many 325mL fuel bottles? what brand?
• Look over alpine list

Christian

• Talk to chuck (confirmed - $110 per person, email again closer to departure)
• Finalize radios (confirm 2 weeks out)
• Place seattle fabrics order (done, order # 1270245148-9649151249)
• look into some sort of sponsorship to take Culumus sleeping bags: 'Mysterious Traveller 700' -- 'minus 11 deg C, 1150g actual weight' (sent, responded, they're thinking about it)

Line

• Contact emergency people and inform them about the SPOT messages

Nick

• Look over alpine list
• Ask around for antibiotics

Simen

• Look over alpine list
• Post requirements (in g or calories) for Dinner/Lunch
• Check out Intuition Liners
• Complete first aid kit

Kjell

• Look over alpine list
• Post requirements (in g or calories) for Dinner/Lunch
• Check out intuition liners
• Find Antibiotics

Food

Sunday - Very early breakfast in Vancouver, Lunch/Dinner for car/camp/ferry catch ferry.

Then 25B 25L 24Dinners (1 at Homathko camp, plan on way back)

We will have 3 stoves/pots

• Own lunches all the time - 25 in total.
• Everybody brings 4 dinners.
• Own breakfast most of the time - 23 in total.
• Bringing shared breakfast - Steve - Simen - Christian

• Dietary requirements - No peanuts for shared meal

How much people want to eat

For dinners I (Christian) basically decided that we could specify different weights for the 4 different dinners... I think this makes sense, since I know that my caloric requirements are going to change over the trip. This means we'll have some "heavy" dinners and some "light" dinners, which is probably good. Let's assume we'll all have hungry days at the same time, and just rank the dinners from lightest to heaviest.

• Christian -> 200g breakfast, 250g dinner1, 300g dinner2, 350g dinner3, 350g dinner4
• Line -> 150g breakfast, 250g dinner1, 250g dinner2, 300g dinner3, 300g dinner4
• Nick -> 200g breakfast, 250g dinner1, 300g dinner2, 350g dinner3, 400g dinner4
• Simen -> 250g breakfast, 250g dinner1, 300g dinner2, 350g dinner3, 350g dinner4
• Muffin -> 250g breakfast, 250g dinner1, 300g dinner2, 350g dinner3, 350g dinner4
• Kjell -> 250g breakfast, 250g dinner1, 300g dinner2, 350g dinner3, 350g dinner4

So, adding it all together we have:

• Shared Breakfast (Steve, Simen, Christian) = 1300g
• Dinner1 = 1500g
• Dinner2 = 1750g
• Dinner3 = 2050g
• Dinner4 = 2100g

Christian's food

Probably not so useful to everybody... but I've got to write it somewhere...

23 breakfast x 200g = 4.6kg breakfast

• 3.45kg oats/granola
• 1.15kg protein goo

25 lunches x 500g = 12.5kg lunch

• 5kg nuts etc.
• 1kg of Line's snack bar
• 2kg sesame sticks
• 2.5kg cheese
• 1.5kg candy
• 0.5kg granola bars

Other junk

• 1.25kg chocolate (50g/day)
• 25 fruitsource bars (37g/day)
• 25 multivitamins (make up for all the dehydrated veggies)
• 50 cold assist (keep immune system strong)
• 25 x 500mg glucosamine sulfate (help tendons stay healthy)
• 20 x 160 mg Ginkgo Biloba (reduce likelihood of altitude symptoms)

Line's food

23 breakfast x 150g = 3.45kg

• 800g milk/powder/protein goo (35g per day)
• 2.65kg Haritages O's/granola

15 lunches x 400g + 10 lunches x 500g = 11 kg

• 1kg landjaeger
• 0.45kg other meat
• 1.3kg chocolate
• 1.3kg cheese
• 1.4kg candy
• 0.9kg fruitsource bars
• 0.45kg nut paste
• 1.4kg knaekbroed
• 1.15kg granola bars
• 1.65kg trailmix

Other stuff

• 200g extra protein goo
• 25 multivitamins (make up for all the dehydrated veggies)
• 25 x 500mg glucosamine sulfate (help tendons stay healthy)
• 20 x 160 mg Ginkgo Biloba (reduce likelihood of altitude symptoms)

Menus

Show off your menu here, if you like...

Christian

• pancakes (for my breakfast)
• minestrone soup + buttery shrimp, sundried tomato, and lemon pesto sauce on angel hair pasta
• crab and corn soup + buttery chow mien veggies and cashews
• tomato and ground beef/TVP spaghetti with Parmesan + mousse (or sorbet if I can pull it off...)
• meatloaf sauce on buttery mashed potatoes with cashews + pineapple orange tapioca

Nick

• ground beef + mashed potatoes + gravy + peas/carrots/corn + cinnamon apple crumble
• chicken curry + cous cous + cashews + onion/peppers/celery + caramel cheesecake
• scrambled eggs + fried rice + sesame seeds + buttery vegetables + chocolate pudding
• tomato based chili w/ ground beef or sausage + lentils + onion/peppers/celery
• NOTE: Menu subject to change as I go through experimentation and calorie counting.

Line

• Sweet and Sour cous cous with vegetables + some soup
• Pasta with tomato sauce, parmasan and falafel + chocolate pudding
• Ground beef with mushroom sauce with mashed potatoes and fried onion + tomato soup(with soy bacon)
• Curry rice with vegetables, coconut, nuts and raisins + snow cones

Gear

Kayaking

Volume requirements

~ 400L of food 4x 50L drybags for packs 4x 120L Alpine equipment 2x 35L for kayak stuff 4x2 35L drybags for personal kayak crap 4x 5L drybags for small personal kayak crap

Total for trip ~ 1450L (no skis...)

Personal Gear

• fishing license (for clams etc.) ??
• Bug net
• Soap/hand sanitizer
• Rain/Sunhat
• Bear spray (one each, with holder)
• Headlamp (double for Alpine portion)
• Mini light for camp, so you don't need to carry so many extra batteries (if can find one with switch)
• Sunscreen
• Sunglasses
• Chap stick (spf 30)
• toothbrush
• toothpaste
• dental floss
• TP!
• Optional moisturizer
• Pee bottle (at marine store? Called "Little John")
• Pee funnell for the ladies
• Camera
• Dive Knife
• Whistle (seahorse kind)
• Towel
• Flagging tape to mark your drybags (Line gets Pink, Christian Orange, Steve Yellow, Madeleine Whatever)
• Paddle leash

Eating

• Spoon
• Bowl / measuring cup
• Nalgene
• Huge water bladder or capacity (10L minimum)

Clothing

• Technical top
• Drytop
• Wetsuit bottoms and/or Bathing suit
• Neoprene booties / tivas
• Neoprene skull cap / fleece
• Neoprene gloves
• Lightweight gloves to prevent burning - cycling gloves? (optional)
• Warm upper for kayak
• separate underwear for camp
• fleece pants for camp (double with alpine)
• fleece hoodie for camp
• warm socks for camp
• clogs or other dry footwear if bringing neoprene booties

Sleeping

discussing sharing the same sleeping system as alpine gear???

possibly plan on sleeping in the cabins, and use Veenstra's fly & another 2-person tarp for 'non-cabin sleeping' -Veenstra's fly -Simen's fly -extra tarp (possibly Mad's) -Extra groundsheet (Veenstra)

-eliminate seperate kayak bag -eliminate hammock/bivi

-Check with Madeleine to borrow her orange tarp

• Sleeping Bag (not doubled with alpine?) (synthetic?)
• Thermarest (double with alpine)
• Hammock (with 3 auxillary biners)/bivysack or just a tarp

Group

• (Christian) 2 Short, sturdy, aluminum pipes to facilitate moving the kayaks as a team of 4
• (Steve) Bearhang kit including 2 20m pieces of 5mm cord, 3 5m pieces of webbing, 2 pulleys and 4 'biners.
• 5 Bear canisters - 1 per person for daily use food and a 5th for the group cooking gear.
• (Madeleine + Steve) 2x Tarp and rigging
• (Steve and Christian) 2x metal garden trowel for clams
• (Christian and Steve) 2x pots -one of them 2.5 or 3L (doubled with Alpine)
• (Christian and Steve) 2x stoves (doubled with Alpine)
• (Christian and Steve) 2x water treatment (pristine drops - 60ml)
• (Steve) water filter
• (all kayaks on their own) enough webbing to secure all drybags to deck
• (Christian) Flare

(Steve) Repair Kit (additional to the alpine repair kit)

• extra webbing
• extra elastic cord
• large roll duct tape
• big multitool
• rivet gun
• brace and bit with drill bits
• 2-part epoxy

Skiing/Mountaineering

Entertainment

• deck of cards (Steve's microcards)
• 5 dice (Steve will fill everyone in on this simple, lightweight & awesome game)
• Kjell's harmonica
• Disco ball

Personal Clothing

• 1 or 2 pairs skiing socks
• 1 pair sleeping socks

• 1 or 2 pairs skiing underwear
• 1 pair sleeping underwear

• 1 warm lower
• 1 base lower (preferred light, to wear in the sun)
• 1 shell lower

• 1 warm upper
• 1 base upper (preferred light, high collar, to wear in the sun)
• 1 shell upper
• optional additional warm upper

• toque/balaclava
• optional extra toque
• face mask
• down jacket
• 1 pair gloves or mitts with removable liners
• 1 pair overmitt shells
• 1 pair lightweight gloves to protect hands from sun
• optional gaiters
• camp booties (or equivalent)

Personal Skiing Gear

• Skis
• Skins
• Poles
• Boots + Liners + orthotics
• Beacon spare batteries
• Shovel
• Probe

Personal Large bits

• Huge Pack make sure you can carry skis with lid or whatever
• Burly garbage bags
• Sled towing crap - long webbing with elastic inside, 2 biners, Voile strap

Personal Small bits

• Voile Straps (3 each - 1 medium 2 large)
• Sunglasses
• Goggles (lighter lenses?)
• Sunscreen
• Sunhat/sunshield
• nosesheild (if you've got it)
• 2x extra webbing straps to attach random crap
• toothbrush
• toothpaste
• dental floss
• TP! (3 rolls unless you know otherwise)
• spf30 or better Lip Balm (1 or 2 depending on preference of nose)
• moisturizer with aloe
• small knife, < 50g
• lighter
• menstrual cup for the ladies (better than disposables - if it works for you)
• Birth control (at least for Line)
• small cloth
• whistle
• Compass (everybody, only Simen brings a heavy compass)
• Super tiny headlamp (like this one [1])
• Regular Headlamp (this one is good [2]) with spare batteries
• Camera (little point and shoot, 1 big one) spare batteries
• Water bladder
• Ibuprofen

Personal Sleeping

• Sleeping Pad
• Sleeping Bag

Mountain Gear

• 2x 60m ropes (Steve's)
• 1 long iceaxe each (1 extra for the group)
• Crampons (steel or aluminum)
• Ski crampons (optional, these are good [3])
• Harnesses
• Helmets (note this exists [4] but not for long)
• 2 prussiks each (*NOTE: prussiks must work on 8mm rope. ie, 6mm or 7mm prussik cord is too large. 5mm better)
• 2 small locking biners each
• 1 large locking biner (big enough to take munter on 2 strands)
• 1 double length sling each (120cm) + 1 spectra (Kjell)
• 1 non-lockers (nalgene most of the time)

Not bringing:

• pickets
• Single long screw with hooker
• prussik minding pulleys total (?)
• 10m rap tat

Group

• (Christian) Tent with spare pole segment with pegs
• (Simen) Tent with spare pole segment without pegs
• (Line + ?) Bear spray (1 or 2)
• (Christian) 1 Extra sunglasses
• (Christian) Kickwax
• (Line) 2x Pinklady
• (Steve) Globstopper
• (Christian+Simen) 2 sets of Maps at 50k, 1 at 250k
• (Steve) Guidebook - photocopy relevant peaks
• (Steve) GPS spare batteries
• (Christian & Steve & Kjell) Altimeter
• (Christian) VHF Radio spare batteries
• (Christian x2, Steve) 3x pots
• (Christian, Simen, Kjell) 3x stoves with repair kits, small fuel bottle
• (Christian, Simen, Kjell) 3x windscreens
• (Christian and Steve) 2x heat exchangers
• (Line) 1x pot scrapers
• (Line) 1x scrubbies
• (Steve) 1x spondonacles
• (Line) Fuel 750ml per day
• (Simen) Salt supplement
• (Christian) Pristene Water drops

Repair kit

note: tent pole segment, and sunglasses in group kit

• roll duct tape
• 50' steel wire
• small multitool (likely double with Simen's knife)
• small screwdriver (with drill bit)
• small file
• piece of hacksaw blade
• 1x G3 repair kit screws
• 1x extra Voile rear (Nick)
• 1x extra G3 rear bits (Steve)
• 2x extra heel throws
• 1x pair spare skin tip loops
• new tube of seam grip
• 2 m of 2mm elastic cord
• 15m 3mm cord
• 1x spare basket
• goretex patches
• thermarest patch kit
• spare thermarest valve
• space big buckle (double from Line's pack)
• Needle and thread

Eating

• Bowl/measuring cup
• optional shaker cup
• Spoon
• Nalgene
• Water Bladder

(Simen’s) First Aid Proposal (not finalized, but ready for critique!)

I suggest that we divide the first aid section into two parts. If we split up we will never be in groups smaller than pairs. Thus, I think we should bring three sets of very basic first aid (i.e. one per pair). In addition to this we should have one more extensive first aid kit for the entire group (containing the content outlined below):

Drugs:

	Ibuprofen (400mg) for muscle aches, inflammations and fever (Personal)
	Aspirin for fever or headaches (small bottle)
	Imodium (Loperamide) for diarreha (24 pack)
	Antibiotic (Cephalexen 500 mg) used to fight bacteria including respiratory infections, ear infections, skin infections,   
        and urinary tract infections  (1 or 2 courses)
        Dipenhydramine (25 mg) antihistamine drug to treat allergic reactions (12 pack)
	Hydrocortizone Cream for mosquito bites and itchyness (1 tube)
	
	Suggestions:
	Diorylate (Oral rehydration salt) for replacement of fluids and electrolytes due to dehydration or diarrhea (6 servings)
	

Wounds:

	Chlorhexidine for disinfecting wounds 
	Nitrile gloves 
	Prep pads 
	Cotton tipped applicators 
	Ziploc for waste 
       Steri-strip (various sizes) for smaller sutures
	Autraumatic thread  For sutures
	Needles for basic sutures

Cutting:

	Several needles (various sizes) 
	Scalpel blades 
	First aid scissors to easily cut through clothing, band aid, tapes etc. 

Bandaging:

	Bandaids for any kind of smaller wounds etc. 
	Skin blister pads To do the job when the real skin is gone
	Several Mepore sheets squared sheets with adhesive along the edges
	Non-adherent dressings 
       Sling (Kjell)
	Safety pins 
	2 Tensor bandage for stabilizing 
	Small rolls of gauze 

Tape:

	2 Athletic tape
	3 “Bandage” tape to stabilize rolled ankles, for blisters and many other applications 

Other:

       Thermometer (Line) + chart (Kjell)
       Foot powder 
       Oropharyngeal airway to open airways of an unconcious person (Kjell)
       Tourniquet (Kjell) 

Paper (copied from last trip)

	Accident Incident Report form (form to fill out when someone gets hurt, helps you remember what to check) (Line)
	Pencil 
	Instructions for all drugs (cut off of box, or from prescription) 
	Instructions for more complicated bandaging supplies 
	Guide to Wilderness Medicine? (Christian)
	Accident flowchart (steps to take) (Line)

Technobabble

Christian likes to weigh/compare everything, and will start putting his notes here, instead of random locations. Hopefully then he won't do the same thing 1 million times

Harness

After testing out 4 or 5 designs, Christian's finally come up with a home-made harness he's really happy with. It weighs just under 200g, packs down really small, you don't notice it when wearing a pack, very comfortable to ski in, and very fast to put on (you don't even need to take your feet off the ground). It's also cheap - just 6 buckles, some 1" tubular webbing, a little bit of elastic strap, and some mild sewing. All load-bearing attachments are knots, so it's super strong.

Food Vacuum Sealer

Veenstra's got one, bags seam durable enough and odour proof as far as dogs are concerned. We can use it to pack up our food.

Seattle Fabrics order

Order will be placed Wednesday night, after the meeting, hopefully. Check out their offerings here: [5]

Christian and Line

• 1x roll 1" rainbow polypro webbing
• 6x plastic rectangles for 1" webbing (have buckles already)
• 1x 3/4" low profile cam-lock buckle for self-arrest grip
• 1x 1" low profile cam-lock, in case 3/4" doesn't work out
• 1x 1oz spool of V46 polyethalene thread
• 1 yard silnylon to make stuff-sacks
• 3 yard 1/8" nylon cord for stuff-sacks
• 4x ellipse toggle for stuff-sacks
• Silnylon for making a kite (not trip related)
• Grossgrain ribbon for making a kite (to finish the edges)

Nick

• 1x roll 1" royal blue polypro webbing
• 6x plastic rectangles for 1" webbing
• 7x plastic buckles for 1" webbing
• 2.75 yards royal blue 430 Denier ($19.50/yd)heat sealable packcloth

Steve/Kjell

• enough for a drybag

Rigging a kayak

It's possible to just bring elastic cord and lash the extra drybags down to the deck. Easier (and sexier) to add extra webbing and buckles ahead of time. Of course, this costs time and money. If you do it ahead of time it's also possible to add a quick-release so you can ditch the deck loading with the pull of a string if you think you need to do so to survive. You want polypro because it doesn't absorb water like nylon.

Veenstra figures:

• 46" (half circumference of 2x35L and 1x55L bundle, the largest load we could hope to survive with attached to the deck) x6=276" total webbing or 92 yards - $60 to buy "by the yard" or $45 for a 100 yard roll.
• 1 pair of buckles and a plastic square (for QR) per strap
• I'd suggest 1 roll of polypro webbing ($45), 6 buckles ($6) and 6 squares ($3)

colours of webbing are available here: http://www.seattlefabrics.com/webbing.html#Polypropylene_Webbing I'm getting rainbow.

Drybags for skis

Seattle fabrics sells heat-sealable fabrics in a variety of weights[6]. Probably you want the 200 ($13.25/yd) or 430 Denier ($19.50/yd) stuff. Unfortunately, it is 58" wide (just shorter than your average pair of skis). So you need to buy as much of it as your skis are long, plus about 6-12 inches for the seal. Also you'll need a buckle and a little bit of webbing. It's wide enough to fit a couple pairs of skis, but you probably don't actually want to put more than 2 pairs per bag, because the bag ends up being too big on deck.

Probably you want 2.75 yards to make enough drybag space for 2 skis. You might want to make another bag to put your skis inside so they don't attack the coating, or maybe not.

Spot messages and emergency contacts

Okay messages

We would like helicopter assistance from Whitesaddle or camp, but it is not an emergency.

Help messages

We need evacuation likely not life threatening within 12 hours. Call RCMP

911

Immediate evacuation

• Phone contact for 911: Whitesaddle and Webster?

People on the email list

Chuck Webster? Whitesaddle

Main emergency contact

Scott Webster?

Route

There's a google map of the intended route here. Nick has been working on a lot of details for the kayak approach up Knight Inlet, which should get moved to the wiki/map at some point.

Group costs

Add anything that you bought for the whole group

• Fuel $100.41 (Line)
• Radios

Stuff to get done

Radios

Whitesaddle air has been contacted, they say: Christian, It looks like you will have the radios for 5-6 weeks from here, cost will be $175. per radio, add tax and postage. We will need a VISA # and assurance that you return the radios as soon as the trip is over as we have several groups for june that need the AA battery radios. (unfortunately they don't make any new models that take aa's) They are all programmed with Homathko Logging, Knight Inlet Logging, and our repeater and direct-heli channels.Let me know 2 weeks ahead of time. Mike

Homathko Camp

Contact Chuck regarding use of camp facilities at the head of Bute Inlet