Hut Maintenance
General
Hut maintenance is an important responsibility of the club. This page is intended as a repository of ongoing and needed hut maintenance projects.
- Hut maintenance is done mostly during the summer because access is easier and working conditions are better.
- tips for hut building.
Hut Maintenance Projects for 2014
These have been combined into a single section, which may make planning easier. The comments Easy, Tough, Interesting have been added, and price estimates have been sometimes added. Work done is still listed below, by hut.
Brian Waddington Hut Projects for 2014
- Our voluntary Grizzly closure is Aug 15 - Oct 15. We should remember that these are bad times to do hut work. Or maybe not. We have been ignoring it lately.
- We hope to start the fall season with two operational Coleman lamps at the Hut. Some lamp hauling will be needed.
- The usual hauling of accumulated garbage, should happen. This includes any catalytic heaters that have been destroyed, perhaps by burning bad fuel.
- We need to continue to think about whether VOC is sufficiently organized, and wants the responsibility, for providing heat up there. This has been discussed to death already, but maybe some fresh insight will uncover something.
- We need to continue to think about whether the hut is dissolving in mould, or whether we are coping with this.
- Paint porch. This nearly got done. Half the porch was painted and we left the other half unpainted so we could still get in the door. Then it started to rain. There was a partial can of paint left up there but it may have frozen and turned to cottage cheese. Easy.
- Hang sign near bridge at lake outlet. The sign is to encourage people using the bridge late fall, to remove the bridge when they go home. The reason we want the bridge removed is to prevent it from being damaged by snow loading and spring floods. We are not sure that the sign will actually cause the bridge to be removed. We are not sure that leaving the bridge in place will cause it to be damaged. The previous two bridges that we built, were destroyed by snow loading or spring floods. Easy
- We should think about the animals, marmots, porcupines or whatever, and more recently, birds, that are eating some of our structures.
- Deal with flicker if possible. A flicker is a kind of woodpecker, protected by the migratory birds act etc. We are not sure how to stop the bird(s) from drilling holes in out Hut, but it was suggested that if we hang CD's on string from the eaves at 1-2m intervals, the reflections from the CD's will annoy the birds, or at least should qualify as art. This should be done before the next flicker nesting season, whenever that is! Incubation period and nestling period together add up to around 40 days. Probably Easter weekend would be a good time. Not easy, need CD's, cord, ladder. Caitlin thinks this is a waste of time and won't discourage the bird. She proposes perhaps building a roof over the one hole that we have not plugged, to encourage the bird to re-use this hole.
- Move outhouse so it doesn't pollute lake. See 2013. Loud splash coming from outhouse would suggest that it is full to overflowing with water which will eventually, especially during spring thaw, drain into the lake, thence into the Birkenhead Park water supply. See ineffective effort last year. We need to find a nice place, dig a nice hole that doesn't hit water, and move the outhouse. This will take a large work party, maybe on a long weekend. Tough.
Harrison Hut Projects for 2014
- Much trail building on long weekends, after the snow is off the road, and after May 19 so we know if we are funded. If we want to get the trail pretty well finished this year, we need a trip up there every long weekend. It's hard to do useful work if it isn't a long weekend because you spend so much time driving up there and driving back on a two-day weekend. One of the earlier trips, we need to re-measure the essential dimensions of the hut so we know what to buy to cover it with sheet metal (DONE).
- Cut to size and paint the outhouse (in Roland's back yard), then transport it to Pemberton, and to the helicopter fuel cache. (DONE)
- Order sheet steel etc from Revy Pemberton with enough time that they can transport it to the helicopter fuel cache W of Pemberton (road must be free of snow), and the helicopter needs lots of time if he's flying on his dime, and less if he's flying on ours.
- A week up there to cover the hut in corrugated steel and assemble the new outhouse. We should take our time and do a good job. Last week of August would work well.
- The following should be brought IN:
New Broom, New spade (short handle), New sign reflecting $10 per night fee, New 1:20,000 map showing route, sign for front of door, sign talking about non motorized designation, dust pan. (VOC Journals DONE).
- The following should be brought OUT:
Garbage consisting of Coleman stove which does not have a working tank, BBQ?(leave briquets), empty white gas cans, old paint, shovel bottoms, old trail markers, garbage in ash bucket
Harrison: Tool Inventory
| In Vancouver | On trail | @ hut | |
|---|---|---|---|
| bow saw | ---- | --- | --- |
| loppers | --- | --- | --- |
| hoe | --- | --- | --- |
| mattock | --- | --- | --- |
| shovel | --- | --- | --- |
| axe | --- | --- | --- |
| wheel barrow | --- | --- | --- |
| chain saw | --- | --- | --- |
Harrison: Material Inventory
| In Vancouver | On trail | @ hut | |
|---|---|---|---|
| chain | ½ load @ Christian’s? | --- | ½ load |
| rebar | --- | ~30 below Pika creek ~20 5 min above Pika creek |
--- |
| steel spikes | --- | ~40 below Pika creek (with rebar) |
--- |
| signs | --- | tied to tree below Pika creek | --- |
| aluminum spikes (for signs) |
--- | --- | --- |
| aluminum nails | ~500 @ clubroom | --- | handful |
| reflective markers | ~500 @ clubroom | --- | handful
Brew Hut Projects for 2014
Sphinx Hut Projects for 2014
Brian Waddington Hut Maintenance Log2014 done already
2013 done already
2012
2011
2010
2009We did major renovations Summer 2009 .
TodoAssessment 2010 Mar 13
Others have complained about, and we investigated:
Carbon Monoxide DetectorThere is a CO detector & smoke alarm at the hut that runs off of a 9V battery, but it is overly sensitive, so the battery has been removed. It might be impossible to find a reliable CO detector that works over the range of temperatures experienced in the Hut, and which does not go off every time somebody lights a stove. Until combustion products are reliably vented outside, we should not waste our efforts on finding an ideal CO detector.
TrailThe lower trail is now (2010) quite good, but the slide alder will require frequent trimming. The trail was extended to the hut on the N side of the lake as it is way less rocky and generally nicer for walking, than the S side. Some ditch digging and turnpike construction may be necessary along this section to prevent mud holes from forming in the soft ground. Fortunately the lake shore is mostly sandy, so there are lots of materials that can be used to improve the drainage. Miscellaneous
Harrison Hut Maintenance LogThe Harrison Hut has been neglected for a number of years due to access problems. The biggest areas in need of improvement are the roof and exterior end walls. Lack of winter access to this fine winter destination, unless you are a helicopter, or a snowmobile, is unfortunate. Being a landlord inevitably involves some work. The Hut is not in bad condition, is warm, friendly, in a spectacular location. In the five or so years since we couldn't get there, some snowmobilers have been using it and treating it with respect. The very occasional heli-skier drops in. That's why there are several stoves, lamps, and about 2 gallons of white gas up there. We should refrain from being too nasty to those who can get to it in the winter, when we can't. 2013 done already
2012
2009
2008
This thread reports that the roof leaks "near the middle of the hut." Harrison TodoTrailIt would probably be a good idea to construct a more permanent trail to the hut. AS of fall 2013, Thanks to hard work, and grants from MEC, trail up from S side of Lilloet R is roughed in and approved for completion. End WallsThe end walls are pretty sun damaged. Simply painting it is very hard because the wood is porous and covered with small pieces of paint from the previous paint job. We have totally covered Brew Hut with corrugated sheet metal (steel), and we covered the W end of Sphinx Hut with steel. To do the same with Harrison Hut we would need a helicopter plus the cost of the metal, which would come to around $3000 (guess). Or we could cover it with the same flat sheet aluminium "farm coil" as is on the roof. A roll, brown, 24 inches wide by 50 ft long, is available at Home Depot for $95 as of March 2013. This is light enough that some tough people could carry it in. This would get us the desirable 25 year lifetime. OuthouseThe outhouse is in poor condition in general and is also full. Ideally a new outhouse would be constructed. A new structure would be easier if we were doing a helicopter trip, in connection with other work. FirewoodNo point providing firewood if the snowmobilers are the only people who can visit it in the winter. In any case firewood is available from the forest about 100m east of the Hut. InsulationNo point insulating extensively as long as the wood heater is available, and winter access is difficult. Brew Hut Maintenance LogFor available tools and supplies see Brew_Hut_rebuild/Tools_list
2014 Brew, done already
2013 Brew, done already
2012
2010
Ryan Mackenzie supervised. 2009
2007
2006
Brew TodoThing to carry up to the hut
Required Maintenance
ImprovementsThe weather conditions at Brew tend to be extreme. But at least the Hut doesn't get buried by accumulated snow, like it did in the previous two incarnations. Chimney is prone to collecting rime and being blocked. This is likely to happen whenever the weather conditions dictate. If there's eight inches of ice feathers on the Hut when you arrive, the chimney is likely to be blocked. This occurred in the week up to Nov 21, 2009, when 3m of snow fell in 7 days. In past years the chimney has been cleared by climbing up onto the roof on a ladder and knocking the ice off, but this time it was not possible to get the ladder out from under the Hut, so the stovepipe was disconnected from the stove to allow the inside of the chimney pipe to be scraped out with skis. Summer 2009 we did a fair job of piling rocks around the Hut base, but this didn't stop snow from blowing under the Hut at all. We know this because we spent an hour trying to free the ladders which are under the Hut, buried in blown-in snow. Leaving the ladders out is not ok because then the ladders last only a couple of years before they become unsafe. Does anybody have experience with chimney caps that work under these harsh conditions? We would prefer to not have random strangers taking our chimney apart, or climbing on our roof. The yellow paint on the outside window trim is peeling. If we scrape off the existing paint and then apply a membrane-type paint such as Hypalon, during the summer, this will probably work. Otherwise encasing all wood in metal may be necessary. Paint must be applied only during dry conditions.
Sphinx Hut Maintenance logWork requires liaison with Parks, because the hut is theirs, not ours. They seem to like us showing interest in the Hut, and are helpful. Plan for 2014 ??
2013
2012
2011
2008
2006
1997
1969We built it. You can read about adventures in VOCJ, where we got some of our lumber stolen. A Short History of VOC Hut DoorsWhen we built Sphinx, back in 1969, we forgot to include a door in the list of materials. We realized this about the time we were bundling it all up for the helicopter. Fortunately some fancy new instrument had just been delivered to the Chemistry Department and the packing crate was behind the chem building. We quickly salvaged it and then we had materials to make a door. We made a couple of mistakes with this door. We decided it should open outwards, but didn't realize that it if it opened outwards, the arrival of half a metre of snowfall during the night might leave us trapped in the Hut. There was an upstairs window which we could use to escape, go around the hut to the front, and dig out the door, if necessary. The second mistake was to get somebody from Physics, who had a summer job at Triumf, to build a door latch for us. The resulting latch, after a great deal of thought and hours of work in the machine shop, seemed to be a copy of the latch used to keep submarine hatches closed. It quickly got a reputation for ripping great pieces out of any down jacket that went near it. What ever happened to the submarine latch? Who knows, it is probably at the bottom of Garibaldi lake somewhere. Fast forward some 37 years to 2006. We're building Brew. For the third time. We decide that an all-metal exterior is the way to go for low-maintenance in a windy location. Looking around for a door, we find a metal-clad exterior residential grade door at Home Depot. Looks suitably strong. Insulated. The price is good too. And no worry about it fitting as the hut isn't built yet, so no problem to make it fit. So we don't get trapped in the hut by fallen snow, we make it open inwards. It goes in well, and, wonder of wonders, it has weatherstripping, and it closes with a satisfying click, just like the doors in the big city. This is the first time I saw a hut door that actually fits. Next year, 2007, flushed with our victory at Brew, we set about to renovate Sphinx. We're talking the Present Epoch here; Christian Veenstra participated. Replacing the door is a priority. The one sold by Home Depot will fit if we just cut it a bit shorter. In it goes on the helicopter along with the rest of the 2200 lbs of renovation materials, just slightly too much for one helicopter load, unfortunately. Door opens inward, is fully insulated and weatherstripped, fits properly, closes with a nice click. By 2008, the door at Harrison finally has a hole in it, due to the combined effort of sunlight and maybe a wolverine, and the fact that it was made from sawdust plus glue. Frank Baumann (ex-VOC) was doing some geothermal work in the area and offered to fly in a door if we could determine the size needed. Access problems complicated our lives, but the Home Depot door, once again, fitted our doorway and our budget. Unfortunately the helicopter dropped the door somehow and smashed up the frame, but Pete Hudson and I patched up the frame and it is now pretty well good again. You can see it on the cover of VOCJ 2008-09. This pretty well takes us to the present, March 2013. The Exec has decided that replacing the door at Sphinx is a priority. The bottom of the door is totally destroyed; the bottom hinge is no longer attached to wood, and it doesn't close. What did we do wrong? I guess we underestimated the average urban user of mountain huts, who assumes that if the door doesn't close properly, one should just slam it harder. Snow builds up between the door and the frame, and on the door sill. Wise people have pointed out that normally a porch will prevent this, pretty much, but maybe not for a building that gets totally buried, as Sphinx was in 1999. And maybe it's even harder to add a porch than it is to buy an indestructible door. Anyways, that's the approach, we are trying now, the indestructible door. The door at Brew will be next, and we will see how the work at Sphinx goes before we decide what to do with Brew. A porch and an outward-opening Home Depot door, might be the way to go. Or maybe we can reinforce the present door with sheet metal "kick plate". The door at Harrison is surviving well, because it is nearly impossible to get there in the winter. We haven't had to replace the Phelix door, though there was some initial issues with swelling. Because the snow is drier at Phelix? Hut LibrariesThe club strives to keep libraries of the VOC Journal, and editions of the VOC Songbook in each hut. See the entry under each hut, for which books are at each hut. We need to make a list of which journals are at each hut, and we need to bring up a few to complete the libraries. |



