Talk:A Guide to Ski Touring in the Lower Coast Range

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Hmm, I wonder if Baldwin would have any issues in regards to copyrights of his book? Baldwin is currently making an updated version. Champagne 14:20, 25 January 2008 (PST)

Does this thing have anything to do with Baldwin? Also, we'd need to check the rules regarding republication of the NTS maps. You can download them for free, but maybe not include them in your book or website. Scott Webster 14:28, 25 January 2008 (PST)

Great idea! I have a few comments before this project really gets going:

  • Perhaps we can integrate this somehow with the information from the skiing trips page. Some of the articles listed there on that page are pretty good. Others need work. How do we integrate pages that may contain skiing, hiking and climbing information about the same place?
  • I like the table of ciritical information for each trip. To make things consistent across pages, this info could be rolled into a template like we have done for the hut pages
  • For huts, should we include the skiing info on the hut page or separately. The Brew Hut and Brian Waddington Hut pages already have some info about ski runs, access, etc.
  • For wiki organization, it might be best for all the ski guide pages to use a common namespace or a common prefix. For example "ski guide/Rainbow Mountain" instead of just "Rainbow Mountain".

Scott Nelson 09:39, 28 January 2008 (PST)

  • luckily, for the 30 destinations I have listed, only 2 or 3 overlap with existing pages (Brew and Diamond head). Pages for places like Rainbow exist but tend to be very bare bones so I will basically replace them. There should be ~25 pages that are new to the VOC wiki.
  • Baldwin has nothing to do with this book. This publication was written by Bruce Blackwell, Alan Dibb, Jay Page and Paul Phillips. These 4 people might have a problem with this, but I highly doubt it as none of their names are written on the copy write inside the front cover (just the VOC).
  • It would be best to have a template similar to the huts. I figured I would let someone else format the data.
  • It would be a great idea to link huts to trips
  • Someone who knows something will have to update the data for hiking and skiing. I think it might be best to have separate pages for winter and summer as the routes and hazards seldom stay the same between seasons.
  • Don't know about the copy write on the images, I assumed the original authors would have looked after that. We also have other topographic maps on the wiki.
  • The format of the guide is important. The "how to use this guide" is now included with all pages (or soon will be). The pages could go anywhere, but I like how they are now associated with a quick reference map. Maybe integrate links into the main wiki and leave a page with the map?

--Hairycow 21:39, 28 January 2008 (PST)

I created a standardized sidebar that can be included to unify all the pages and link them back to the main ski guide page. Wikipedia often uses similar sidebar templates for related articles. See Omer lakes for an example. I have not added it to any of the other pages yet. Do you like it? Also, Garibaldi Neve Traverse and Spearhead Traverse are now duplicates. Scott Nelson

Map

I'll try to make a google interactive box with the trail locations later. Similar to the one for the History of VOC huts. Champagne 11:22, 29 January 2008 (PST)

Introductory pages

Most of the pages in the guide stand alone as VOC wiki articles, but it seems the first two pages - Preface and Ski Touring in the Southern B.C. Coast Ranges - don't. Maybe they should be moved to, e.g., A Guide to Ski Touring in the Lower Coast Range/Preface. I'm not sure what the best way to organise a book like this on the wiki is, but a stand-alone page called Preface doesn't seem to work in the greater context of the wiki. --Matthew 11:33, 30 January 2008 (PST) =>I am copying the guide as it was first created. However, the intro and preface are just so that everyone who is working on the project start on the same page.

Also, Sphinx Hut overlaps with the existing page for the Burton Hut --Matthew 11:37, 30 January 2008 (PST)

=> very little of the data overlaps, Sphinx hut which should read Sphinx Bay is how to get there, Burton Hut is mostly about the hut and says very little of the route. The two pages actually compliment each other very well --Hairycow 20:06, 30 January 2008 (PST)

Also, Introduction, INTRODUCTION, Using This Ski Guide, USING THIS SKI GUIDE, Overview Map, Map Symbols. Scott Webster 12:08, 30 January 2008 (PST)
I removed some of the offending pages. FYI not everyone has the ability to delete a wiki page, however anyone can move or rename a wiki page. This is the preferred action since the new page keep the history of the old page.Scott Nelson 13:33, 30 January 2008 (PST)
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